howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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why do you think that vic, i have never heard of strikers being paid before?
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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With the employment situation as it is the civil servants should be grateful they have a job that provides a good pension. I have no sympathy with them at all and wonder if they would be striking if it was a labour government in power.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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they did jan in 1979, not just a one day thing then.
sent the reds to the political wilderness for 18 years.
It is very unlikely that any worker on strike will still recieve their pay from the employer when engaged in strike action , some unions do pay "strike pay " for ongoing industrial disputes but it is a very small amount , my ex NHS collegues will not be paid for the day if they are not at work due to industrial action, and they wont expect to either. The only possible varient is if the ammount of strikers force the school to close then those employees who are not on strike but cannot attend because the employer has closed the site , and who have not been offered an alternative venue to report to may well recieve thier wages , as they are willing and able to work ( phew , a bit long winded but I hope it makes sense )
What an achievement. I hope they were happy with their little selves.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard- you are placing a rather silly interpretation of the government's attitude to the public sector.
Even I acknowledge that a certain amount of public spending is necessary. We just have far too much of it and a lot of public sector workers are not doing anything useful either.
You could immediately sack everyone with 'equality' or words to similar effect in their job title, to start with and get rid of their support staff and they will not be missed. That is just one clear simple example.
No Vic strikers get their pay docked if on strike. It would be totally wrong for them to get paid and I too have never heard of strikers getting paid.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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good luckj to all those in there day of action on wednesday
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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If the lady in Howard's link earns £32,000 I would have thought she could afford to pay the extra £3,000 that she says she will loose into the pension fund herself.
No sympathy from me let her go without like the rest of non civil servants who are saving for their retirement.
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Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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Wow! Some extremely anti views on here I am surprised. Have you forgotten who these people are? Put all the politics aside we could not be without these people and for what shift work, stress and major cut backs do to your body over time I think they do deserve a bit of sympathy despite what you opions are on the strike.
Keeps politics to myself
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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No! I have not forgotten, my son and younger daughter are civil servants.
My late husband had a stressful job and worked all sorts of shifts, my daughters' partners both work shifts and we are all suffering from cutbacks in some form or another.
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
lets all get behind the strikers and support them,thus showing the goverment what we think of there damm cuts.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I have always been in a Union,and now I am a life member,I was asked if I would march,I did not return the forum,but I do not support them at this time.so many out of work ,with millions also not geting any pension and even having to work till they are 66 or even older just to get their Old age pension.
I was a union rep for some time back in the day and genuinely support the concept of a union and encourage my staff to join for their own protection - and after all, that is what the Tory Party is for some! But I vehemently oppose the sheep like mentality of some union leaders who expect everyone to do what a minority want them to. Personal integrity and conscience matter.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Let me give you all a factual example of what the Local Government pension (unreformed) offers.
Final salary of £32,000 after 40 years service provides a pension of £16,000 p.a. at age 60 plus a tax-free lump sum of £48,000. In addition they get the basic state pension currently at their state pension age which for men is age 65. A change in the rules mean a larger lump sum can be obtained now with a reduction in the level of pension, that is up to the individual.
They pay £1,920 (6% of salary) per annum for that. This is before tax so a further 20% can be knocked off the bottom line cost. In addition the pension is contracted out so members of the scheme pay less national insurance. The impact on net pay would be £1,146 per annum, in other words the actual cost of that pension to the employee would be £95 per month.
Now take someone working 40 years in the private sector.
They would have to pay something like £11,200 pa (approx 35% of salary) into a pension - £933 per month which works out at £746 net of tax, to have any chance of getting anything like the kind of pension the Local Government employee above has at age 60. But also - they would not have any guarantees at all as to what they get and only a very limited indexation whereas the LG pension is fully indexed. So they pay more for much much less plus they may well not have the group life scheme and almost certainly will not have the very generous sickness arrangements (6 months full pay then 6 months half pay) that local government have.
As I have said the strikers are defending a privilege that can no longer be afforded and it is time that this scandal is dealt with. The government proposals do not go far enough to correct this imbalance and remain far too generous.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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helen
well said
look at it the other way round, those people involved in wednesdays dispute wont forget who DIDN'T support them
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Barry, you seem to be up for joining the green.
As I understand none of the extra payments proposed by the government will not go into the LG pension scheme, it will be as general taxation and go straight to the treasury.
You fail to mention the Ford to Porche ratio between the LG and Private Sector Provider models. A bit of a cop-out.
I am all for reducing the excessive and overgenerous wage trajectory laid down in the recent times of eternal BOOM that Brown and the Tories were content to promote, but even I would call a tax a tax, a cut a cut. Your pal Dave would rather take the broad and easy, well trodden path of divide and befuddle.
If improvements could/need to be made to the Private Sector pension provision, and as we are all in this together, why not do the work where the work needs doing?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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some ionteresting comments tom
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Alas, in my rush to print I neglected to make mention of Share Options and Bonuses. I doubt that either figures in the Public Sector.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I happily apologise now to those who tire of this issue and yet...
The link below is to a section of the Guardian letters page and all save the first missive therein are a-political and are written by people with actual experience of public sector work, pay and pension. Among the comments:- the increased contributions from part-time workers are reckoned at the full-time salary, the oft quoted pension of two thirds is actually one half.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/nov/28/labour-solidarity-and-pensions-strikeIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
