howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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looks to be a lively one coming up maybe we could blockade the strikers inside st mary's hall, would be a chance to use our bins in a positive way.
http://www.thisiskent.co.uk/Unions-warn-chaos-Kent-members-streets/story-13952474-detail/story.htmlI wonder if they will be bothered to rally for the hospital.....
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I read somewhere that these no-account public servants that are often spoken of here and elsewhere (not too far away) as nothing but an utterly unproductive drain on resources are to cost our economy in one day what amounts to £2,6 billion pounds in a week.
Not bad for the unproductive?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Most of the schools are closed because of the striking numbers but what about those teachers and staff who were not intending to strike because they could not afford to loose the days pay? Are the schools just going to stop everyone's pay or are they going to take peoples word for it as to whether they were supporting the strike or not?
Out of my four children, only one has to go to school that day and I guarantee she will be miserable seeing the others lazing around demanding cartoon network as she goes.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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just heard on the news that an opinion poll shows over 60% support for the strikers.
so much for the efforts of dave and company to create a divide between public and private sector workers.
It depends who you ask as to what answer you get on polls.................
Jan Higgins
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Apparently with the public it is the young who are for the strike and those older and retired who are against it
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Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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(to do with strike in general) The one day of the year I choose to land back at Gatwick...Wednesday!!!! Whilst I don't think a strike is going to make much of a difference I do sympathise with all the public sector so I must just be patient and join the queue!
Keeps politics to myself
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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They are older and wiser Jan.
Strange that a strike is called a 'day of action' what a misnomer.
This self-seeking and foolish action will cost a lot of money but the government should not give any further ground, they should confront the problem and withdraw the over-generous offer they have made and make a revised less generous one with a promise that another so called 'day of action' will see the defined benefit pension withdrawn totally in favour of a defined contribution one. The only negotiation being around levels of contribution.
I remember when Reagan sacked air traffic controllers when faced by a strike so getting tough would not be a new thing.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"You hear what you want to hear and see what you want to see." Is it not so?
The PATCO strike was illegal from the get-go, wishful thinking will not change the fact that the present action is all above board.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/03/opinion/reagan-vs-patco-the-strike-that-busted-unions.htmlIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
DT1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 15 Apr 2008
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It looks like it will cost the country money, and that is not the intention.
I do feel for the children who miss out in schools and other member of the public that will suffer. But then I also feel sorry for those who have paid in on the promise of a set return and are now being sold short. The pensions may well be seen as too high, but this really is a kick in the teeth for those that have planned around this promise. How do these pensions compare to those of MPs?
There are some pretty crazy figures being thrown around. I heard that it could cost our economy as much as one sixth of what the Royal Wedding cost us.
Guest 662- Registered: 18 Mar 2008
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No sympathy as far as I am concerned there are alot of people in this country that have been sold short on pensions etc... we are in a recession. Selfish and thoughtless is how I view this and I'm with Barry on this one. Let them strike and withdraw the current offer we do not need to bow down to these selfish people, make them suffer even more for disrupting our children's education and our borders etc...
Next time someone wants to take a child out of school during term time, I hope the Schools will think twice about issuing a hyprocritical fine. I am no longer volunteering at our local School, neither will I be adding to their voluntary fund in future or supporting their fundraising efforts and I think more people should vote with their feet on this issue. How dare they hold our country at ransom.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Yes I think some but not all teachers, need to think about what it will cost in the way of public support if they go out. They get more days off then the rest of the UK workforce always with full pay. And on top of that a pension,millions of us did not get a pension when we stoped work after some 50years of working. Now the working man must work upto the age of 68 before he even gets his old age pension.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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This is all about the unions taking on the government, we saw it in the '70s and '80s and the unions did not learn.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i see it is two fold the unions trying to flex their muscle and the cobbled together government trying provide the general public with a hate target.
it is common knowledge that dave sees this as his "thatcher" moment, he could come unstuck with his desire for confrontation.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I sense that the argument against this industrial action is lost, for today (on the Daily Politics prog) I heard one of the Boys-in-Beige ask the strikers to consider the small 'turnout' in the strike ballot.
I mean...who would dare act without a clear mandate?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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something doesn't ring true here.
the government clearly think that the public sector is a drain on resources, yet when they go on strike for just one day they cost the economy £500 million quid.
this despite the strikers not getting paid.
already mentioned in post 11 is the pension deal for public sector m.p's.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Then you need to do a little research Howard and get your facts right on the beliefs, attitudes and real life facts about the public sector and what the government is saying.
The problem is you and your reading of this.
MPs though - I agree they should set an example and also be on defined contribution pensions.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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kindly explain what i don't understand barry.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Will the teachers still get paid,I think they will.
