Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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A loss of £80 a month when you are on the poverty line is a horrendous loss, the desperation she must have felt is unimaginable to those that have never reached rock bottom, a sad day.
Audere est facere.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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This is what I feared would happen.
How sad this vulnerable person must have felt before deciding to do this.
What must her children be thinking, not just about their loss but about the way she has been treated.
Some people simply think that £80 is nothing and people like Stephanie Bottrill will somehow find it.
Some will find ways and some won't but they will all suffer the stress that this brings to decent members of our sick society.
On one end of the scale we have poverty and on the other we have greed.
No wonder some people give up.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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The bedroom tax's is the result of parliament not having the necessary powers to control the ever increasing housing benefit bill, now at over £22 billion to the taxpayers
The only thing they can do, is come up with mad cap ill thought-out nonsense like the bedroom tax
The problem is ever increasing rents driven by the expanding population,
Housing shortages giving a rise to mass profiteering of the benefit system by greedy landlords.
EU membership is making the British government responsible for the housing needs of non UK citizens and there family's
It is costing us a packet and acting as a draw factor to the worlds poor,
Gary , unforchantly you and others like you are being punished for the mistakes Of the labour and conservative party.
Ukip will end this.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Keith.
Any party, who prefers to cut benefits, to genuine disabled people, rather than cutting profiteering by greedy landlords, is corrupt.
Any other party, who does not condemn these cuts and announce their intentions to 'right these wrongs', are un-defendable and cannot be supported.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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we know that the three established parties are in favour of these changes, i don't remember seeing a statement from ukip though.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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gary
Cutting profiteering by greedy landlords,
is this not the reasons to impose a cap on rent payments under housing benefits ,
People living in properties over the cap amount will have to move to cheaper parts of the uk
I moved out of London because I was spending to much on rent .
Rent driven up by mass migration
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
no kieth,its not to do with mass immigration or the eu.its down to landlords who put as many people in one house,flat garden shed,for as much money as possible.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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brian
the landlords can only do that if the authorities continue to import people, we have seen footage of families living in garden sheds unaware of their rights.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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howard.
the only time the government inports people is with visas and qualifactions whos expertise they need.
all the others come in on a back of a lorry through calias,which has nothing to do with the government.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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I still cannot understand why so many properties are left unoccupied and yet nothing is done to enforce the owners to either renovate, sell or let them.
I remember a very well known business man in Dover who would let his properties fall apart, holding many of them up with scaffolding, until he could obtain grants to do them up from DDC. He would then turn them into HMOs and charge extortionate rents, safe in the knowledge that once again he would find enough benefit dependant tenents to ensure his demands would be met and DDC/DSS would foot the bill. Tory principles at there best.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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brian
you know very well that the vast majority of people that earn a fortune for dire landlords have no need of visas and qualifications and have not entered the country illegally, they are simply people from the new europe.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Howard.
It might be true that some imigrant families do not know their rights but the bloody landlords know.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
Qiote a lot here,
without doubt we have landlords greedy and being allowed to get away with it
The comment that £20 isnt a lot is outragious, those close to or on the poverty line £20 is a vast amount.
We do need to look for better ways
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Garry
The bed room tax is all about reducing the benefits bill
I don't know what the numbers are regarding non uk citizens, but they will be massif,
I don't think the bed room tax's is workable, or a good thing but I do think stopping all benefits to non UK citizens is the way to go
It's all about entailments. We have big families of east European poor with there hands in the uk pot
As we go the way of Greece and Spain this and lots of other expenditures will have to go
The uk is bust
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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yes kieth,the uk has been bust,broke and skint since 1945.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
Without doubt we need to reduce the benefits bill, the present scheme isnt working as gary c and others have highlighted
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Keith B.
I have repeatedly stated that the benefits system is flawed and needs sorting out.
However, as with prior attempts, by all parties, this is not the way.
This scheme will not reduce the benefits bill, it will cost more to implement, than it will ever recover, so again I ask the question.
Why go ahead with a scheme that they know is going to cost more than it is going to save?
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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It's stupid and unfair to apply it to existing tenants who have nowhere else to go. It will turn out to be one of the nails in DC's political coffin, just like Maggie's poll tax.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Peter.
Your right but why are they going ahead with it?
More than money is going to be lost over this scheme, as proved with this poor womans suicide.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
My sympathy also goes to the lorry driver involved he will have to live with this for the rest of his life even though he is the innocent party.
Apparently this poor lady turned down a smaller place because it was too far from her friends, mentioned on this clip about 3 minutes in.
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