Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Jan.
That's one death and two families, that have been torn apart by this futile attempt to stop the 1% of benefit cheats.
18 years she had lived there and built up a social structure of family and friends around her.
That was not a house, it was her home.
This tragedy should not have happened.
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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here,here gary,a poll tax in disguise indeed.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Indeed - what about all those people who have committed suicide because of the taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, clothing, all sorts of consumer goods, the very wages they earn, the capital gains tax from house sales stocks and bonds.
There must be millions of people who have committed suicide because of those taxes.
Something must be done.
Perhaps writing to the stupid newspaper who ran with the story for cheap political points might be a start.
Typical lefty comic is so desperate to do labours biddings they scrape the bottom of the barrel for stories such as that written over the weekend.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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PhilipP.
All of my posts regarding this, have been directed at this present Con-Dem and previous Labour & Tory Goverments and my comments are from a paid up perspective of being one of those affected by this ill thought out scheme and have no bearing on lefty comic or cheap political point scoring at all.
Stephanie Bottrill's family would certainly not agree with you either, they know the reason, she did what she did.
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Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Of course you're quite right to point out the shortcomings of this and past administrations, Gary.
My point is that people kill themselves more many different reasons and for those against the scheme to use this unique case (as in it's unique that someone has killed themselves supposedly as a reason for their action) is just not on.
I'm not suggesting that you are scoring political points only that those media outlets with an agenda and of course politicians who are bound to use this case the next time the "bedroom tax" (which it isn't by the way) is raised is beneath them.
This is why I raised other tax areas which for some add up to more than £20 per week in some cases.
It has to be said that far more people die every year, running into the thousands, because they cannot afford to heat their homes due to taxes and subsidies which are apparently designed to save people - namely green taxes and subsidies.
No outcry for these poor souls in fact it's hardly ever mentioned.
Howard, I was referring to the original story which appeared in either the Mirror or the People. I'm unable to distinguish one from the other except the colour of their politics.
I should add that the right wing press is in no way immune from this practice and once again I find it very distasteful to say the least.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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PhilipP
I fully understand what you are saying about the media picking up on it but you are no better than them by stating.
"(as in its unique that someone has killed themselves supposedly as a reason for their action)"
Nothing supposedly about it, her children clearly feel that this bedroom" benefit cut" was the last straw, probably coming on top of many other cuts none of which you mentioned.
Quite frankly, this is not just about having to find a bit extra every week, it's about losing her home and the social safety net that she obviously felt she could not live without.
If you have not been put in this position then you have no idea how traumatic it is and using it to have your usual pop at green tax's, should be beneath you.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Revealed: Devastating impact of 'bedroom tax' which forces
huge leap in hardship handouts for tenants:
Demand for emergency handouts increases by 338 per cent
The extent of the suffering inflicted by the "bedroom tax" can be revealed for the first time today
as figures show a 338 per cent leap in the number of people applying for emergency handouts
in the month since it was imposed.
In April, more than 25,000 people resorted to applying for discretionary housing payments
(DHP) to help cover their rent, according to an analysis of 51 councils by The Independent.
There were only 5,700 such claimants in the same month last year.
Demand on the emergency fund - which is intended to provide short-term help to housing benefit
claimants who are unable to pay their rent - is now so great that people who would previously
have been given help may receive reduced handouts. Some applicants have already had their claims
refused altogether.
Keith Sansum1
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I think that Garyc warned us all of how ill thought out this scheme is
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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So many ill-conceived policies in the last three years......must be a record ...............
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Watching the mouse, you do wonder if hes in the same world, or is he just being badly advised?
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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190-1, we should not be astonished when our leaders turn out to have feet of clay. Anyone who has what it takes to become PM should definitely not be trusted with high office. We are therefore condemned for evermore to be governed by the wrong people.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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Power to the People!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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if only he was still around.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
what a great programme
popular tooting front
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 4,010
Courtesy Independent........rvhised................
Tenants face eviction over 'bedroom tax'
Thousands could lose their homes as councils and housing associations begin a clampdown
on those in rent arrears
Disabled families challenge 'bedroom tax' in High Court
People struggling to pay their rent because of the so-called "bedroom tax" are already being threatened
with possible eviction just weeks after it came into force.
Thousands of people face losing their homes as councils and housing associations begin a
clampdown on those in rent arrears. Councils in many areas began sending notice of arrears
letters within weeks of the reform coming in on 1 April, many of which threaten eviction in the long-term
if rent is not paid.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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If they qualify for the means tested assistance, it only lasts for 13 weeks, in very special circumstances, 26 weeks.
If they receive this assistance, that means the council agrees that their circumstances determine that they cannot afford the extra rent.
So where are they going to accommodate disabled people when they evict them, now or after the 13/26 weeks?
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Another ill-conceived `nasty` policy...................................
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,888
It will cost a lot of money, possibly thousands of pounds to adapt a smaller home, it must be more cost affective and sensible to let them stay where they are regardless of the number of so called empty bedrooms.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
this and the rest of the welfare reform changes has to be one of the least thought out set of policies of any government in my memory, we have councils having to shunt families all around the country to live in "hotels" that no-one in their right mind would pay to stay in.
this will cost the taxpayer in the end and more importantly break up families and communities.
