Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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A wee bitty C&P would not go amiss dear Bern. As nobody that is not on Facebook can get further than a log-in page.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Ah.........thank you
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Will they be granted the business or must they bid for the franchise?
Along with the training passport will go refresher courses so that newly developed best-practice can be spread around all areas, I presume. [disseminated, was the word I avoided. Which is why 'spread around' sounds odd]
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
I have no current involvement with this project Tom, but will make an educated guess that tendering will be mandatory to ensure parity and competition. I am interested to hear what forumites think of it given the high level of interest generated by the potential competition in the NHS anyway. I am a little surprised one or more of our more vocal forumites has yet to notice or comment on the development, even if it is in Essex!
One wonders if this specific issue has so little opportunity for political point scoring that it attracts little or no comment....?!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I must admit I am waiting for certain comments to appear.... It looks promising to me, as if a little bit of joined up thinking is coming into play, you will know better than I about that though Bern.
Brian Dixon
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no comment from me,apart from bon chance.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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two of the hospitals mentioned, basildon and southend have had dire reputations in the past so i doubt that there wil be much local opposition to any changes.
further west the old and new king george hospitals in ilford have been staffed with dross for the last 25 years to my knowledge
and would need major surgery to deliver a decent service to patients.
we complain about the kent and canterbury, but in my experience it is still light years better than some.
I know there are good and bad bits to every organisation, but for me that is like comparing horse manure to pig manure..........perhaps that is a little harsh. I know some superb nurses and doctors in Essex as well as some appalling ones. C'est la vie..............
I suspect that the lack of response may be because this is an example of exactly what you have been posting about the reforms. Its not a wholesale handover to mustachioed cloaked profit driven villans but an opertunity for 3rd sector organizations to deliver localised care
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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where does the voluntary sector come in on this, i just see n.h.s. trusts a county council and a university?
i like the idea of the "passports" but the rest of the article is just a collection of cliches that actually have no specifics.
Sorry Howard I'm reading and typing on a blackberry on a train I missed out the words public bodies from before the 3rd sector part of my post. Apologies for that
I'm with Sarah on this. Cliches become cliches because they are grounded in some reality.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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For what I see at a quick glance is that NHS Acute Trusts are trying to get around their own employment red tape by talking to one another. Good.
For the other items identified these are already in train here locally with local GP's , DDC & KCC with the voluntary involved in discussions & having representation.
University involvement is necessary to provide continuing professional training & manpower requirements. In other words it's their current business.
Interesting they consider they need an independent company structure to overcome tribal interests & deliver the commissioned services. That could just be a little too cosy.
Shows initiative & innovation but-----
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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just read the article again, just full of wordy hot air as favoured by bureaucrats and trade union leaders.
Its probably because " Im in the field " so to speak , but it reads ok to me .
1) an agreed record system of all patients , that because it is electronic would be accesable by all the partners in the 6 organizations if needed , ie your GP could see how you where , whilst you where an inpatient
2)Instead of a variety of feedback systems and ratings one system used by health and social care so a 10 out of 10 for an inpatient ward means the same as a 10 out of 10 for a socail care setting ,
3) A planned and organized sysytem to ensure newly qualified staff across each service get the skills and support they need to become the sort of ward sister / team leader you want looking after you in the future and to ensure each part of the sysytem ensures they are working to equal quality
4) this is to ensure that the gaps or the "Its not my job/ I dont know " factor of discharges and admissions from community to hospital and back dont occur with the sickening regularity that they do now. If everyone has agreed what is the role of the other and knows how to acces that support . the discharge for someone at 2 am in thier nightie with no care package and no medication should be a thing of the past
5)Training passport , as it says each organization dosnt recognnize the other ones training , this plan will mean that they have expected frequency and agreed /shared training. So if social care have just trained me on manual handling/ fire and first aid , then the NHS trust who employs me in 2 months time can take and use my record of training ( which they currently cant do )
6) Looking at the services common to each organization ie IT support , supplies , catering etc and seeing how using a greater market force or streamlined systems ( or both ) can cut costs and drive up quality , They seem to be looking a what works well in each organization , why it works well and can it be expanded across each of the organizations
Hope that helps
That wordy hot air - sometimes described by reg as gobbledegook - is simply the tools of the trade, the words used to describe in words understood by the tradespeople what is going on. It amazes me that people expect to understand everything about management in the same way we understand a menu - we wouldn't expect to understand a mechanics handbook or a surgeons final exam - or at least I wouldn't. It is the same process. Management isn't just doing it but doing it from a height - it is a profession with a professions terminology and training!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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sowhy is it that when top industrialists and politicians are on the box they manage to explain their case in a way that can be understood by everyone?
i have been guilty of using gobbledegook in the past when in a hole, just shows a lack of communication skills.