Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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21 September 2010
14:3971852Colin, it is interesting what you write concerning teaching and preaching, as there may be a difference, but to preach ultimately means to talk with conviction hence to teach, and Christianity requires the teaching-preaching of the Holy Scriptures and the Message of Jesus Christ.
As for Chris' views on the thread, they are misleading, and assume that Christian people who have lived by the Faith, and also those many Christians who died in the Faith for refusing to renounce their convictions, are al one and the same as the people who burned their victims at the steak or killed lthem in the streets in the name of Vatican inquisition and crusades. Such view can only be contradictory and unfair, so Chris and Rick really should post their comments on aliens on some other thread, and Chris, when commenting about Christian history, could actually read some books and inform himself better.
Colin, if you read some books on Celtic Christianity in Britain, you might discover how Christian love animated so many people, both those who preached and those who listened! In those days, there were no beliefs in aliens, and no spiritual love has ever come from aliens!
In the 12th century, the Vatican finally took over the Celtic Churches in the British Isles, and things changed. Persecution and the banning of the Holy Scriptures (yes the Catholic Church forbade people to possess or read the Scriptures) began in England in the 14th century by order of the pope, and many followers of John Wycliff (Lollards) stood up bvravely to the flames rather than renounce their right to read the Scriptures and communicate their faith to others!
In the same way as they did, so too do I tell Chris and Rick not to interfere with peoples' rights to learn and communicate the Holy Scriptures!
First it starts with burning books, then people are burned!
Or, as the Catholic church did it, with banning the Bible and then burning people for reading it!
21 September 2010
14:4171854I am just stepping outside - I may be a little while...................................
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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21 September 2010
17:0571857Alexander, you really are the most arrogant and one-sided person if anyone has the temerity to disagree with you, aren't you? My comments on ET were right where they should be and as for assumptions that christians are all the same, they do all believe in Jesus and the bible (hence the name, Christians, from Jesus the Christ). If that sounds a little patronising, it was meant to. The Jew being slaughtered in Jerusalem at the culmination of the first Crusade was still losing his life to a Christian, in the name of Jesus, no matter which sect of Christianity they were. Do you suppose the victims of the Twin Towers were debating if the terrorists were Sunni or Shi'ite?
We post here to air an opinion, not to show off how many church approved histories we have read. I would happily debate with you the conversion of the Isle of Wight as recorded by Bede and the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle but this is not the venue for such insular nit-picking.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 September 2010
17:4171861i am sure all this is very interesting but is it relevant?
when praising or criticising christianity we have references to the celts. the spanish inquisition, wycliffe, the crusades now it is the venereal bede who died in the 7th century.
i have a good idea what finished him off, however more importantly i repeat my question "is it relevant".
awful atrocities happened in the second world war but us,the germans, italians and nips are all friends now, no grudges.
i suppose the next thing will be to take a pop at the jews because they nailed up jesus 2000 years ago.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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21 September 2010
17:4671863And let`s not forget the Jews who nailed up Jesus 2000 years ago as Howard mention`s above.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
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21 September 2010
17:5771866Very interesting replies from all above, thank you. Alexander, I can`t comment on the early Celt etc religion`s as I haven`t much knowledge of them. The only item I can do is when you say about those early Celts having "no beliefs in aliens, and no spiritual love coming from them". That`s fine, but in that period of a thousand years ago, they wouldn`t know about that sort of thing anyway. It`s only in the last two decades that it has been taken more seriously. I think as you suggest though, that maybe a thread about life on other world`s would be appropriate as I`d love to hear views, and religion would not need to come into it.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
21 September 2010
19:2071883If you think about it rationally, belief in gods and angels has an awful lot in common with aliens and UFOs. A lot has been made of many Biblical incidents including the star that led the three kings displaying UFO-like behaviours, the fact that Jesus had strange powers, and the arrival of angels. IF any of this is literal truth then surely it speaks of something quite alien. Lights in the sky? Walking on water (ie manipulating physcis)? Healing? Winged creatures flying down from the sky?
I'd be far more inclined to believe that Mary was abducted by aliens and impregnated with a cross-breed being who exhibited unusual talents than a virgin birth of the son of god. As mad as it may sound, it is at the very least more probable and logical than the fairytale alternative.
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21 September 2010
19:3371888BBC4 tonight -
9.00, The End of God? A Horizon Guide to Science and Religion
10.30 - The Lost Gospels (absent from the New Testament)
Should keep this debate going a bit longer if we all watch.
21 September 2010
19:3571889howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 September 2010
19:4671893thanks for info ray but the first one clashes with "celebrity family fortunes", one has to prioritise.
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21 September 2010
19:4871894Sorry but I for one will not be watching this one.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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21 September 2010
19:5171896 The British UFO headquarter`s?
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 September 2010
19:5471899that did make me smile colin.
21 September 2010
20:1871902Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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22 September 2010
14:1171984Chris, I was referring to many, many people who have been slaughtered by order of the Catholic church, not only to a Jew in Jerusalem. I think you are avoiding recognising that so many Christians were slaughtered specifically because they believed in Jesus Christ, hence I fully reject your absurd claims that all Christians are murderers!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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22 September 2010
14:1571985Colin, 1000 years ago and also 1800 years ago, and possibly more. The Celtic Church in Britain began in the very early centuries.
Should you wish to run a thread on aliens, I will not join in, as they do not exist.
I am sorry if some people think they do, but then that's their business.
However, whenever there is an attack on Christianity and Chriistians such as that of Chris, with whole-sale accusations, I will inevitably stand up to it!
Temper temper, Chris!
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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22 September 2010
18:3371998Alexander, you do not believe in alien`s? Then any god is human then? Must be one or the other surely? I won`t be starting an alien thread, but what a shame you choose not to take part if there were one. Maybe like other`s before you, you can`t bare the thought or possibility of beings superior to you existing in this universe. If some entity made this vast universe just for us, it`s certainly a waste of space!
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
22 September 2010
18:4472001Alexander D, to quote you:
"Should you wish to run a thread on aliens, I will not join in, as they do not exist."
Such certainty! Unlike religion and God, which requires zero proof and maximum faith, I'm afraid aliens are a scientific proposition and as such evidence is required either way. You may be certain, perhaps in your own mind, that there is a god because faith is flexible to this personal conclusion, but you can NOT say with any certainty that aliens do not exist. The universe is a big place and the conditions that resulted in life can be replicated elsewhere. If you are claiming that earth is the only planet with life on it then I'm afraid you will need to back it up with proof. Biblical quotes won't do either - this simply isn't proof of anything.
Science is living in a current state of utter doubt about aliens, investigating the universe via the Hubble telescope and the SETI project among other things in order to seek for answers to questions which we'd all like to know. Until evidence is presented one way or another, we can never actually know for sure.
I'd love it if we discovered aliens, it would be a magnificent and wonderful moment in human history, but I ain't holding my breath for it. But as for believing in aliens? What can I say? We're not talking about science fiction monsters or supernatural forces here, we're simply talking about biological entities, like ourselves, that evolved on a different planet perhaps under different chemical conditions. The idea doesn't sound so mad to me!
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22 September 2010
19:4172006It would indeed be an interesting subject to dicuss Rick, with all it`s implication`s, but I`m sure as you will most likely know, it`s a vast and mind boggling topic and I feel unless it`s been read up properley by other member`s, it wouldn`t be an ideal topic for this forum, which is why I`m not starting one. Alexander, I`ve just bought a new book by Professor Paul Davies called `The Eerie Silence`. Like other professional science writer`s, he write`s about the pro`s and con`s of other intelligent life forms, and never once tell`s us that there must be aliens out there.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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22 September 2010
19:4472007Rick, aliens do not exist!
Anyone claiming they do must present the proof to uphold their claim. I do not need to prove that aliens do not exist, because they do not exist.
If you wish to prove something hitherto inexisting, it is you who must present the proof, and everyone else does not need to present proof to the contrary!
All British law functions in this way!
And British law also functions on precedent. Aliens are without any substance as they are inexistent, as is the belief in them, hence they have no precedent.
Christianity is the Soul of our Nation, as our Flag testifies. See my thread on this.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
