Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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18 September 2010
14:3471460When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said "Let us pray." We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.
Desmond Tutu
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
18 September 2010
14:5971461Sid - the people who flew those planes would have found a reason to do it - religion was just a convenient and credible peg on which to hang it.
18 September 2010
16:3571466Bern - Islam brought down the twin towers and any apologist excuse to try and alter that reality is hopelessly misguided. I've heard that one of the reasons that the twin towers were specifically targeted was because it housed a lot of Jewish business interests.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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18 September 2010
18:2371477"What shall we do tomorrow lads"
"Let's get a few of the gang together and fly some planes into buildings."
"Wont that upset a few people?"
"No, we can always blame it on the Muslims."
Sorry Bern, it just does not work, the motivation was religious (no matter how extreme) and based on interpretations of the Koran - right or wrong. Trying to put any other reasoning behind it is as pointless as those who tried to claim that certain communities were being 'targetted' by security services. Where else would you look for Islamic extremists than in the Muslim community; as you would Catholic extremists in the Catholic community?
There can be many reasons for living, fighting and killing but it is religion that gives extremists a reason for dying.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
18 September 2010
19:2171485I have never said the motivation wasn't relidge, I have simply said that if they hadn't used relidge as a reason they would have found another reason. The Irish I knew who had a "history" would have found one way or another to cause pain and suffering, it just happened that they had relidge to hang it on. Those grubby kids who pull the wings off flies, then catch and hurt mice and graduate to rabbits will eventually hurt people. They will use whatever justification they need.
Jan Higgins
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18 September 2010
19:2871487You have hit the nail on the head with your last post.
There are some very nasty and cruel people in the world they can nearly always find a justification in their own mind. I am thinking of Hitler's followers at the moment.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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18 September 2010
19:4671492even peter sutcliffe reckoned god had told him to do the things he did.
poor old god/allah/jehovah gets the blame for everything.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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19 September 2010
19:0871615It turned out to be a very interesting lecture from brother Guy Consolmagno today from what I`ve read on Phil`s post on the pope thread. He`s denounced both creationism and an intelligent designer, which is very welcome news, as this is what the looney christian groups are preaching across the States, together with the 6,000 year old Earth garbage in their teaching`s. It`s also raking in million`s of dollars in the process. However, the pope said in a speech today "we`ll never discover the ultimate meaning of human existance". This apparently, was in response to one of his society members, Professor Stephen Hawking saying that God did not create the universe. All interesting material to discuss and talk about till the end of time, (if that point ever arrives), with no need for wars, fighting or bickering among each other.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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19 September 2010
21:1771631I'm looking forward to putting Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on the census form next year, a fun way of expressing a serious opinion-
http://www.venganza.org/howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 September 2010
22:3271635that is pasta being a joke ray.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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20 September 2010
08:5071642At last, a religion I can get my fork into.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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20 September 2010
09:4171650Howard and Chris, you two have got some sauce
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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20 September 2010
09:5571651Just a lot of bollonaise.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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20 September 2010
12:1671655Colin, Copernicus is German, from Prussia!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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20 September 2010
12:2271656Colin, have you any proof for the existence of aliens from other planets? You write as if they do exist and it were a scientific fact that we must acknowledge.
However, until you can prove the opposite, I can quite reasonably and scientificly state that the existence of aliens from outer space is inexistent!
It is a shame that you state such a disliking for religion, but could it be that your eroneous belief in aliens is a kind of supposed religion, but with the difference that there is no proof of their existence?
You might find that you're on a loser here!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 September 2010
12:2771659i thought that prussia was originally part of poland, then went over to germany.
strange because usually the germans like to invade poland but leave it as it is.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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20 September 2010
12:2871661Bern, your post 4 could be also integrated by stating that many other peoples in the past have been involved in conquering vast areas, not only 'white' people.
In Africa and America and Asia there have been quite some conquerings going on in history, and many of these conquerings did not involve British or European people!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 September 2010
12:3271664it is that time of year alex, i am going out conkering later, hope to crack a few knuckles.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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20 September 2010
12:4071667No, Howard! originally Prussia was a Slavic area with a name similar to Prussia (from where the name comes from), but these Slavs were not Poles. Poland was a lot smaller. Many of these Prussian Slavs integrated with the Germans who settled there.
Similarly, there were various Slavic peoples in nowadays eastern Germany, many of them were actually Serbs, that is, Black Serbs, and they also had other names according to their particular tribe or district. Many of these also integrated with the Germans, but today there are Serbs living in south eastern Germany whose forbears kept to their identity, thus they speak their Slavic Serbian language, which is similar to Serbian spoken in Serbia and to other Slavic languages. They are called in Germna both: Sorben and Wenden, two names indicating the same people.
The White Serbs moved to the Balcans in the seventh century, as did the Croats and the Slovenians, the Macedonians and the Bulgarians.
Many names of eastern German cities and towns are in fact of Slalvic origin, coming from these Black Serbs, for example: Chemnitz.
The Poles are also Slavs, but the Slalvic Prussians were a separate people.
As for White and Black indicateing Slavic peoples, these terms were used often in the past and were synonim for East and West, in a certain sense, as it indicated two separate groups of the same Slavic people who lived in different areas.
Hence there is a White Russia.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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20 September 2010
12:4471668Colin, I also note that you could may-be read some texts on religion and discover that the Jews and the Celts (including the Christian Celts) believed and taught that the world is round! Not all Christians taught the Catholic doctrines of science!