29 October 2010
15:4977256I apologise if I was misunderstood. No criticism of Whitfieldians -some of my best friends etc etc etc!!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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29 October 2010
15:5277259Ross, the Folkestone Road area will hold out, we've got half of Britain's Front Line defences here on the Western Heights, the other half being on the Eastern Heights.
The trust status of Western Heights will ward off DDC should they try coming on with bull-dozers!
Ross Miller
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29 October 2010
15:5977264My point was more to do with the plethora of conversions of single large houses into pokey rental bedsits and flats and the social issue that come from that
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
29 October 2010
16:4877270Alexander D,
My personal aspirations do not come into the equasion. It is more an inevitable acceptance of what will be will be. Some times it is pointless in life making a fuss until such times as one sees a need to.
So far I see no need. I may also add just for the record I have nothing to gain financial or otherwise in the proposed development. Not sure it is my fault or not that I see the proposed development as positive.
P.S.
You are giving me a complex!!!!
Jan Higgins
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29 October 2010
17:4077277I always find it interesting that those who live outside of Dover and it's suberbs try to give the impression their area is so much nicer.
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Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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29 October 2010
18:1077280Bern, personally I didn`t find anything you said offensive. It is quite easy though as we`ve witnessed so many times before on this forum, people taking posting`s the opposite way to what was originally intended.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Unregistered User
29 October 2010
18:3477288Ross as you have identified, it has to be a total package.
I think you'll find the consultation attempts to meet those requirements and there are other matters which will need to be picked up.
As stated earlier this is a process which has included the community and will continue with their representatives.
Watty
Keith Sansum1
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29 October 2010
18:5877291Paulw
Would you agree with alexander and others that the building in whitfield will happ;en, and the consultation is only about how and where it will happen?
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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29 October 2010
19:0577296i thought that was already the case keith?
things have become confused partly over our honourable member making it an issue.
Unregistered User
29 October 2010
19:0877301Quite Keith.
I have been trying to get that point over since the thread started.
Watty
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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29 October 2010
19:1477306beat me to it Paul - I was just about to point out that this is exactly what you have repeatedly been saying
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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29 October 2010
20:0677317I think that the Whitfield urbanisation plan is a political case. New Labour, the last government, gave dispositions for such developments all over England to accomodate immigration. They trod down any democratic opposition to the scheme, nation-wide. Evidently, DDC was more than happy to accomodate the last government's plans, and probably made an application to be among the districts that have new housing estates. At least this is what I immagine they did.
If this really were a case of 'you can't do anything about it', as Paul Watkins stated, there is really only one carrying argumentation I can offer: UKIP is committed to Swiss style Democracy on important national and local issues, and this will be a major theme at the coming Council elections.
However, I still will endeaver to find out whether the Community of Whitfield wanted that building-scheme or not. People will realise, when the time comes for campaigning, that to vote UKIP candidates will mean voting for people who would respect the democratic will on local important issues.
Ultimately, the people will decide which candidates to vote for, but this does not mean that people cannot even now oppose the Whitfield building-scheme by writing individual or collective representations to DDC. I believe that it is common practise for this to happen.
Mr. Watkins, I assume you have published in the local press the notification of the consultation period for the Whitfield masterplan! And that you have stated which community is eligable to consult.
I still have not understood from Roger's Delphic reply whether it is only the Whitfield Community or all Dover Community, or indeed the whole of Dover District!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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29 October 2010
20:2677325Even then, Ross, one can't be too sure nowadays! There are Holy Armies up on Western Heights. It seems that the Braddon community has also participated in Council gatherings at the Bredon stone in the 18 hundreds, as many people present at the time claimed to have seen them.
The Western Heights is a protected area, but DDC doesn't ask questions first, only later, as we see now in Whitfield, and then says: 'you can't do anything about it'!
Holy Shire Guards! Better safe than sorry! One good reason why many and many people should participate at the cultural events on Western Heights, to make known it is a natural reserve with historic sites.
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29 October 2010
20:2677327Alexander , you really are a conspiracy theorist.
There are laid down peocedures for consultation and they have been followed.
If they were not they could be legally challenged.
The point about Whitfield [for the umpteenth time] is that the legal decision for development has been made and confirmed by government.
As stated in the last few postings , you are not discussing whether Whitfield should be developed but how!
That is what the consultation is about.
You are riding the wrong horse.
If you don't like the proposals say so, your points will form part of the consultation.
If you just say you don't want Whitfield developed , then you have wasted the opportunity to shape the future and your response whilst noted will not carry much weight.
This is fact , not a political point.
Politics formed no part of the Whitfield decision.
This is about Dover's long term viability.
End of story.
Watty
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29 October 2010
20:3077328Thankyou for letting me know that I too can take part in the consultation, even though I live in the Western Heights area. I hope many people in Dover realise this opportunity, and take part in the consultation. I will make my point at DDC by way of a representation!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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29 October 2010
20:3077329you have no chance against the holy shire guards paul.
leave them alone and worry about the heathen gordon cowan next may.
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29 October 2010
20:3477330PS
Alexander , for the record Whitfield is represented by Lib/Dems not Conservatives.
Not that made a difference in decision making.
They supported growth and the need for growth but did not want it at Whitfield, as dutiful cllrs would.
A matter of choices, it has to go somewhere.
Watty
29 October 2010
20:4677332Alexander D,
I am beginning to worry about your mental condition. Dare I recommend a lay down in a dark room for a few days!! You do seem to get a full head of steam, trouble is you don't seem to know where you are going.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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29 October 2010
21:1977334Jimmy Long!
I was just settling down to complete another article to edit online, when, on passing Dover Forum, I read your message, and had to log in to respond to it!
Paul Watkins did his duty by informing me that I too can participate in the consultations mentioned above, and this implies that the whole of Dover Community (possibly even the whole District?) can do so. I was at ease.
But reading your post, I can only stop and postpone my article writing for a while.
You were yesterday telling Vic and me that we are nosy-parkers, so-by implying that we have no right to take part in any discussion concerning Whitfield and the master-plan. Paul Watkins had made it clear that it is not so!
Jimmy,I like it when people know what their rights are and are informed, which is why I tossed this thread back on to first page the other night, as I was worrying that people may not realise their rights concerning the consultation period. You were not exactly being fair towards Dover in your post.
by implying that it has nothing to do with us!
As for Western Heights, may-be you would like to read some recently edited books about Dover, in which I read about this information, which has been documented and published!
It also mentioned that some tourists were chased down the street at night as far as the Churchill, where they were staying, by Guards who were standing around the Rifles Monument.
Hobnailed boots clattering through the streets! Hoarse shouts, mess-cans clashing!
All in military precision, Jimmy!
29 October 2010
21:5777340Alexander D, And your point is ????.
I would not for one moment deny you or any one else the right to comment on the future of Whitfield,
that is your constitutional right.