Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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27 October 2010
14:4276865Vic i did mention that Buckland Hospital was being upgraded months ago but nobody took any notice.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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27 October 2010
14:5576871Howard, I didn't personally receive Mr. Elphicke's missive, which you refer to in post 55, but someone who did receive it yesterday gave me full access to its content, and Mr Elphicke MP for Dover and Deal constituency is opposed to the Whitfield urbanisation plan as much as he is do the Middle Deal and Sholden urbanisation plans of DDC.
Mr. Watkins, I find it hard to comprehend how one can be ''asked what it looks like''! That does not make sense to me, and also I have not understood if this consultaion concerning Whitfiel urbanisation lasting until 29th November '10 is only for the Whitfield community or for all Dover community, including myself, as I live in the Western Heights area.
Is there a way of knowing a reply to this question?
I am still of the opinion that the consultation concerns a draft masterplan, and that the public concerned and the stakeholders concerned - whoever these may be - have the right to say that they do not want this urban development plan. In fact they can, there is no law saying they cannot.
But I would like to know if the public can stop this development plan by opposing it during the consultaion period which is mandatory by law. It is a draft plan, and draft has implications. I think it means ''proposed plan''. Hence it woul d not be a definitive development plan, as it awaits public opinion.
Once again, these are my views as I think I understand it all, but I will be looking into it all before 29th November.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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27 October 2010
15:0676874This is NOT a Consultation period at all, the Hospital is going to be build on the Buckland site there is no master plan or anything like it no draft the plans are all in place costing is done for the building itself and that is that,what we can do is make it into a communtiy Hospital help with the way the inside is done out etc. and help with ex funding what will be needed.Or keep fighting the NHS, all that will do is they will walk away, like others walked away from Dover
Keith Sansum1
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27 October 2010
15:1776875I think we are in danger of confusing 2 issues
Buckland hospital being one
and the whitfield development another, they should be seperate threads.
With regard to Whtfield, it probably has already been agreed that ths developemt is to imposed, and this latest period is only to say this is where it wll happen.
Its probably correct that the action group put up the fght, the council stll went it';s on way and they now as i say have to try to get the best of a bad deal.
Thats not to say they support it.
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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27 October 2010
15:2476877As for myself Keith it is not confusing in anyway,but I do think that they sould be on seperate threads,I have already said I will open one soon on the new Buckland Hospital.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 October 2010
15:5676882the sooner we accept the fact that the buckland site is going to be the final decision, the better it will be.
vic is right on this one, if we continue to argue the money will go somewhere else where they will be grateful for it.
there is little public money around as it is.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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27 October 2010
15:5976884Thank you Howard,and I was right about Morrinsons some years ago when all were saying I was wrong ,well I was dead right then and I am dead right now ,Your Mp is Wrong in thinking he can get put at Whitfield so is Mr Hansell,others who think the Town centre are also wrong.we got one hit on this one Buckland or nothing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 October 2010
16:0276887alex
the point i was trying to make is that charlie is opposing something that is a done deal as far as i can see.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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27 October 2010
19:1276926Well done, Charlie! Keep it up! Full support for Charlie here
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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27 October 2010
20:1876946Alax Mate Charlie has not done anything. If you think he did then sorry you are in the wrong party.Just having ones photo done at alot of events does not mean you done them all and that is the case with what you are seeing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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27 October 2010
20:3376953Vic, I was referreing to the Whitfield housing estate, and the Middle Deal and Sholden housing estates too. Infact Charlie sent missives to various addresses in the past days, in which he opposes these prospected building sites and states that he will ty to stop the bull-dozers. My sister got one, which is how I came to know of the missive's contents. (Howard also got one, he call it a missive).
My expressed support of his campaign in post 69 of this thread is on this particulr issue, which is identicle to UKIP's view. Charlie is totally opposed to these new development plans, I know this from his blog too.
If you think that he is not doing enough in Parliament concerning this housing-development issue, then obviously that is something that could be consulted upon, and we could ask him by email what he intends doing about it in Parliament.
As I stated, my views on this issue are the same as UKIP's, and I believe to have done a lot the last few days on this Forum to bring the topic up and inform its readers that there is also a consultation period lasting till the 29th November concerning the Whitfield urbanisation plans of DDC.
This is proof of active participationm of mine in UKIP lines as a UKIP member.
If you agree, we could go further and do some campaigning publicly to try to stop this development scheme in Whitfield, Middle Deal and Sholden.
You know yourself that I would do my utmost best to participate!
Let's not fall out on this one, Vic! We're on the same side!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 October 2010
20:4676955alex
the fact remains that the developments are a done deal.
maybe chas is posturing on this, only he can say.
have a chat with vic, he will explain the detail.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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27 October 2010
20:5276956It wasn't in my intentions to go against UKIP lines, I was doing my best to research the statutory implications that DDC MUST respect. If Charlie isn't doing enough, then I was not aware of this. The topic is all-important for me, as I believe in Democracy, in the Swiss-style Democracy which UKIP holds dear to and is campaigning for!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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27 October 2010
20:5376958Alax Howard is right on this one ,I like many others have done all what can be done just like the Hospital,I was at one of the meeting up at Whitfield and I was talking at that meeting to the councils and the public Mr Elphicke came in had a look round had afew words with some of the members but not the public had a photo done done of himself and was gone in all of ten mins,I was there with others all weekend.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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27 October 2010
20:5876960Which is why I voted for you, Vic in 2010! It was the first time in my life I ever voted, as I never trusted a political party before that time!
28 October 2010
12:2077054I live in Whitfield and I would like to make the following observations about the proposed development.
I think there are far to many pompous meddling nosey parkers drumming on about how terrible it is going to be for Whitfield. Just what do you all mean by the statements that it is going to be armageddon for Whitfield,?? what a load of nonsense. Show me and the residents of Whitfield an example that any development any where has been such a disaster?? you cant because the simple fact is there are no such blighted developments anywhere.
For those of you who do not live in Whitfield forget the retoric ,and stop banging your mythical drums and get to the point and tell us just exactly what terrible damage such development is going to do to us unsuspecting citizens.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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28 October 2010
12:4577056Mr Long I done just that in my first post and it is only a few miles up the Rd at Hawkinge look at what happen there and you see Whitfield in ten years time,only way it can be stoped now if they run out of funds.
Brian Dixon
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28 October 2010
16:4477071i have laft a comment about this on the front page.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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28 October 2010
16:4877074Jimmy Long, you make a fair point regards to the question what it will look like in Whitfield if the proposed urban development goes ahead. As for nosy-parkers, that is not so!
The implications for Dover Town and all Dover District are disastrous. Paul watkins and Roger both state that they want to create jobs in Dover by building over 5000 houses in Whitfield over the coming decades. They call this 'growth'. What they would achieve is to add thousands of peope to the list of those searching for work here (in Dover!), and effectively take away the work and livelyhood of thousands of Dovorians, and of people all over Dover District. The Middle Deal and Sholden urban development plans add even more to this prospected catastrophe.
They verge on to paranoia claiming that more shops will open and that this will create more employment in Dover.
So what do you mean by 'nosy-parkers'? Try reading the proposals they are trying to convince us of!
Do you think that Dovorians and people in general in the District want thousands more people coming along and looking for employment here? Not as likely!
It's not that five thousand plus incoming families settling in Whitfields would all open shops; they would flood the local employment market, at the supermarkets, in the banks and offices, in Dover (yes Dover) Port and wherever jobs are and will be going.
Hopefully, at the comiung May elections, people will realise here what DDC's economic calculations would lead to, namely mass unemployment for many local people who are presently living here and for their children.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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28 October 2010
16:5377076Brian, I think people have the right to make a representation to DDC about this proposed development scheme, as the Consultaion period is on-going. It has to be done officially, otherwise it will all be to no avail. Also a petition can help. The whole development project efects Dover community no less than it does Whitfield.