Standing as a Independent
- 23 February 2011 21:3593937After alot of thinking about it over the last two weeks,I will tell you now I will be standing in some seats in May as a Independent. Thank you Vic Matcham And some for UKIP. sorry about that I left it out.
- Keith Sansum1
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23 February 2011 21:4693941blmey
now vic having lost faitrh with alliance, then tories and then himself, and now ukip
has he run out partiex to be with??ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 23 February 2011 21:5193946I have not left UKIP I am still Chairman.More to come later on Why. After the football.
- Keith Sansum1
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23 February 2011 21:5593949we are waiting vic,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 23 February 2011 22:4393954Alot of the public Still look at UKIP as a one policy party which it is not ,so on that note ,I am thinking that I might do better as a Independent in some seats,and UKIP in others .
- Keith Sansum1
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23 February 2011 23:1193961surely vic you should then stand as a UKIP candidate in all seats.
your making it sound that you have no faith in being a UKIP candidate.
you would do better to try tp get people to vote UKIP
whilst i don't think you will win a seat, i think your statemen has lost you a number of votesALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 24 February 2011 01:5093966How many seats can one person actually stand for? Can one become a multi-seat councillor in the same Council?
What's the meaning of a one policy party? I thought all parties tend to have each one policy and not two. A party usually has a manifesto, and that is its policy. To make known a party's manifesto to the public involves gathering crowds and making haranguing speaches, attracting applauses and promissing great things!
That was always my impression of a charismatic person wanting to get elected!
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 24 February 2011 07:4093971Sti time for Vic to stand for the Tories...Labour....Libs...UKIP....Greens....Communists....Raving Looney Party....UKIP Chairman standing as an Indie,reminds me of someone else.If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
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24 February 2011 07:5593972Vic is determined to get elected to something, somewhere. What a waste of time and more importantly money, I will give £20 to Age Concern if you get elected Vic.
How can a well known UKIP supporter suddenly stand as an Independent and think that voters will not know who he really represents. Again we are underestimated and get taken for fools it makes me so
Surely you can only stand for one seat, or in theory you could have only two people running the whole council.
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24 February 2011 08:1093975JAN H
On this jan we can agree, vic is so desperate to win a seat hes standing for nearly everything, even ditching the party he says he believes in because he feels people won't vote for there policies.
vic would have been been better sticking by UKIP if that's his belief, this latest move is showing vic in a bad light, and i think now any chance of vic coming other than last in all seats has gone
i have advised vic before today you don't have to be a cllr to make a difference, there are many other ways, and clearly in elections vic has di-fficulties getting votes, so hes probably better getting out of politics and finding alternative routes.,
but it is his right to stand, whether his being a candidate in so many seats will actually harm his overall result is to be seen, and the latest news of his having no confidence in UKIP will harm his results and im sure other parties will remind the electorate of vics views.ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 24 February 2011 09:5193984Im afraid this news does kick UKIP in the teeth somewhat Vic so I am doubting it was a wise move...particularly as you are local chairman. Its akin to man-about-town Nigel Collor who is Conservative Chairman standing as an Indie to get onto the Town Council, the mind boggles at the prospect. The public are used to putting labels on individuals and its a hard marketing job to sell when the labels get changed.
However I will say this for you Vic...there's never a dull moment with you around!
email: dover7@msn.com - 24 February 2011 09:5593985If Nigel wanted to stand for the town council he would have to stand as an indie as the Tories do not contest parish elections.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- 24 February 2011 10:0993987Correction here .Conservatives do contest Parish and Town Council elections .The late Roger Frayne was a Conservative on the Dover Town Council.
There are Conservatives on Deal and Sandwich Town Council Sandwich Town Council is mostly Conservative .
Vics latest statement what can one say
. - 24 February 2011 10:1993988So very tribal.............
- 24 February 2011 11:0593992ukip much have a strange rule on standing at elections.
i cannot believe any other party would allow a member to stand as anything other than their own party. - 24 February 2011 11:3793994You seem to have a strange idea about the 'power ' of political parties Howard.
If UKIP have made a decision not to put up a candidate in an election there is no reason why a member of that party should not stand as an independent without party support in that election.
Quite reasonable and while I cannot speak for UKIP this would not be a problem for the Conservatives. If standing in an election against the party of which you are a member then you have another story. - 24 February 2011 11:4193997A point about Conservative and Town/Parish councils.
When I was Constituency Chairman, and before, it was policy not to stand Conservative candidates for Dover Town Council, though local branches in the Association did decide to stand candidates for other Town and Parish councils as was their right to do.
That changed when Roger became Chairman and a decision was made to do so in some Dover Wards.
Any Conservative member, of course, would always be free to stand as an independent (ie without Party support and selection) in any seat that the Party was not contesting.
The Conservatives are far more relaxed about such matters and have much more decentralised decision making than most outside realise. - 24 February 2011 12:4594001Anything to get your name in the Paper,I think!If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
- Keith Sansum1
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24 February 2011 18:0894018Sadly i think vic has just blown the little chance he had of getting a few votes,
thankyou sue for the correction,. iv never understood these double standards of the local tories.
theyt are dead against locakl politics in town /parish councils yet have stood candidates for years in Deal and of course DoverALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 24 February 2011 18:4794022Sorry I though the Tories were above parish politics and had the impression they would not support candidates under the blue banner, obviously Tory party members can stand for parish seats but I understood they had to run without party funding.
My mistake and, I believe, their mistake also. Party politics has no place in parish councils, IMHO.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson