howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 September 2010
22:2468717excellent post keith, i am surprised that people do not see the corellation between the p.c.s.o and the old fashioned bobby on the beat.
our new one (ryan) is constantly seen chatting to people at their front gate and gathering information that can be fed to the "clever" people in the cars to take action on.
3 September 2010
22:2668719Again Keith, not taking anything away from what a PCSO does, but what you describe is exactly what old style beat coppers would do.
By walking the streets they too built those relationships in the same way you have. The difference is where the crims or yobs/ladettes may tell you to, "go forth and multiply", and you can't do anything, a police constable most certainly can take action.
In short, PCSO's are doing the job we want the police to be doing instead of whizzing around in fast cars or on motorbikes. They are far too removed from those they serve.
Keith Sansum1
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3 September 2010
22:3068722SID
I cant speak for police in general
but what i can say is how well the police neighbourhood unit works
this includes PCSO's and PC's
working together in one ward.
It has had fantastic resukts.
the experienmce of both working together works wonders.
Again sid I REMIND you please get a bit more info on WHY PCSO's dont have so many powers, there is VERY GOOD reason for it.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 September 2010
22:4368728sid
i can assure you that the new system works, yes i agree that that they need more powers but the very presence of the p.c.s.o's has a calming effect.
3 September 2010
23:0268731I never said anything but good things about the PCSO's. However, they don't need more powers, we need more Police on the beat.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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4 September 2010
06:4568736HOWARD
Thankyou kind sir lol
SID
Your point is well made and as HOWARD says thre PCSO are giving that uniform presense and making wards feel safer.
I can't speak for Individual wards but I know in Folkestone PCSO'S ARE HIGHLY REGARDED and everyone is working together to solve issues.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 September 2010
07:0368739The PCSOs are highly rergarded and valued round our way too - Folkestone Road/Clarendons etc.
Roger
4 September 2010
09:1068748I can absolutely see what Howard, Keith et al are saying, and I am confident that PCSOs do lend a greater safety and communication pathway to local communities, but I totally support what Sid says: that is what beat bobbys were for, and there was no need to debate about increasing their powers as they already had them. For me, PCSOs, who are fab and contribute a lot, are at heart another civvie layer to the police rather than The Police.
4 September 2010
10:1868754Bern, thanks, I was beginning to think I was a lone voice.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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4 September 2010
10:3968755Sid (and Bern),
Not a lone voice - I'm sure as others say many PCSOs are highly regarded and do a good job within their constraints, but I asked the question as I don't think that job should exist and wondered if I was a lone voice.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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4 September 2010
15:0768778I give up
I tried
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4 September 2010
16:5068780Please notice the high personal regard in which PSCOs are held. The other issues are political and financial.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 September 2010
17:1768784keith is trying to say that the only police seen on the beat in the future will be the p.c.s.o's.
disband them and the yobs will rule.
4 September 2010
18:2768789That's one option - what's needed is the political to make it not so! PS - where did he get his crystal ball?
4 September 2010
19:0268793Bern/Ray, we are as one.
Keith, please understand it isn't personal.
Howard, we understand what Keith is saying, and, if there is no political or management will to change it, that is how it will remain. But that doesn't make it the right solution, just a sort of solution.
The head of Kent Police said he foresaw cuts to backroom/civilian staff and PCSO numbers before police numbers are cut. I hope he gets rid of the chauffeur driven cars too. I can work on a train or plane, so why can't they?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 September 2010
19:1368795that will not happen sid.
z cars in 1960 brought in the age of the panda car and it has stayed that way for half a century.
outside of our town centre one when was the last time you saw a copper of foot?
the best chance of seeing them is when they have a stall giving away biros and balloons and leaflets telling us to keep our front door closed.
once challenged you will be given a raft of statistics and a computer print out telling us that we are best served by having police officers in cars and vans.
i believe that the average copper joins the police to do something for the community but the hierarchy are much more interested in producing figures that show what a good job they are doing, this is evidenced by the public that are fobbed off when making a phone call or trying to report an incident at the police station.
4 September 2010
20:5868800Maybe they would like to stretch their legs and feel the collars of the scum sucking bottom feeding drug dealers and various incontinent and sodden wrecks who have appeared again in our area after having their collars felt ineptly last time, taken away for nano-seconds with full board and re-appearing within minutes of release at the street corners flogging their substances within eye and earshot of the cop shop, and several schools as well as a play area.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 September 2010
21:0768802bern
that is my argument, the p.c.s.o's are the only people that know stuff like that is going on.
i agree that the justice system needs a kick but that is not the fault of the communitypersons that actually feel collars.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 September 2010
06:2168815The PCSOs are not able to feel collars are they ? - that's part of the problem I thought.
Personally, I would like the PCSOs to be given more powers than they have at the moment as I believe they would be of even greater value than thy are now.
I know we have a Town Bobby, but he never seems to be around when you want him - not for major crimes, but to stop cars driving up Cannon Street/Biggin Street - cyclists too. Kids playing football in the street, kicking the balls into the shops on purpose etc. etc. People in a certain state, in a certain hostelry, throwing verbal abuse (and other unmentionable stuff) at passers by.
No one (in authority) seems to care that these are going on, they must surely know, I can't believe they don't.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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5 September 2010
07:1768822Let me try one last time,
Kent police and this and the previoius govt have said said PCSO's are here to stay
and even if they went(which neither believes will happen)they WILL NOT be replaced with police.
On the question of the town centre bobby, I see him every time i go into town, and yes i see him doing eactly what ROGER feels he should be doing, of course hes not there 24/7 or at the exact time ROGER is.
Just to repeat the neighbourhood units in both Dover and fOLKESTONE are made up of PCSO's and PC's both of whom walk the beat, and/or use cars
All i can tell you is thsat in the 16 or so wards in Folkestone the neighbourhood unit is highly appreciated.
I keep trying to explain why PCSO 's should NOT have the powers of a police person.
If they did, firstly they would be doing policing on the cheap,
secondly the info PCSO's obtained would be lost, with the trust of all the community.
PCSO's are not police, but since there formation the police themselves have recognised its the PCSO's that gather the information, know who's operating in the community, know whats going on in the wards, know the contacts, plus so much more.
So I do rfealise no one is trying to put down the PCSO's but with the themes coming out of posts is the want to give them police powers which would be a disaster.
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