Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
31 August 2010
22:2868233Well tonight I have watched the last episode of The Bill .I was quite moved by the Chief Inspectors press Conference .It may be fiction but how true to life .Today as you will have read on another post I went to Deal.I noticed on my way by the River Bus Terminus that the Bus Shelter had been vandilised .On my return i inspected the shelter found evidence of graffiti.The seat had also words written on it .The Bus shelter opposite and further down the road a Green Telephone junction box .had also been covered in graffiti.
I arrived home spent a long time on the telephone to the police our local PCSO is on leave .On leave when the children are off school .Getting to the end of the holidays and bored .
The moral to this story is no Respect .The young Police Officer seemed quite surprised When I said I will not tolerate Graffiti on my patch .
The problem is a lot of the parents donot care .I was going up there this evening to see if I could catch the little darlings but work and TV have taken up my time .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
31 August 2010
22:3368236no need to apologise susan, you will probably find that most of the problem parents were watching the box just like you.
on a more serious note once we tolerate graffitti, very italian will move in.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,707
31 August 2010
22:3668237I couldn't agree more Sue.
I think it should be compulsory that all school kids at 16 should read up on this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory and agian when they have kids.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
31 August 2010
22:3768238Yes the speech was very good. I am sorry to see The Bill finish.
I agree there is very little respect and it is not just the young either. I am looking forward to next week when the little horrors go back to school. Having said that we had three really polite and well behaved children in the shop on Saturday, I praised the parents and their faces were a picture.
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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31 August 2010
22:5368243The 'broken windows' theory is very true.
If damage can be seen, more damage will follow.
If rubbish is left around, more will be dumped.
Follow my leader !!
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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1 September 2010
07:0668253I'm very sorry to say Sue, you are absolutely right.
The good children will (usually) always be good, but the bad ones will (nearly) always be bad and have no respect; they'll grow into adulthood, but not maturity and always fall foul of the law.
Most of this is down to their parents and how they bring (or drag) them up.
It shouldn't be a case of always being on their backs ready to punish and prosecute; there are many things young people can do nowadays, you don't have to have a bowling alley, multi-screen cinema or a skating rink (or whatever) to keep them out of mischief - the bad ones will still be bad what ever we have here - sadly.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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1 September 2010
07:1168254Totally agree with you Sue. Too many people are far too tolerant of poor and outright bad behaviour. A good dose of intolerance is what our society needs.
As for The Bill. I did record the last ever episode to watch later. I used to be an avid Bill watcher, I loved the programme but gave up on it when they jazzed it up with all that background music and put it on a later 9pm slot, a great series ruined, perhaps even killed off deliberately by idiotic tv executives.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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1 September 2010
07:3268257I always enjoyed the Bill; the moving to 9pm didn't make much difference to me, but moving it to Tuesday evening did - we go to Blakes for their quiz nite and free supper - last night it was Chinese - home cooked by Peter and Kathryn - lovely. It's always a different meal each week and always enjoyable.
But I digress, back to the Bill - a great series, shame it ended.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
1 September 2010
07:3668258SUE
There are a number of points I would like to go over in your post.
1; You indicate the PCSO shouldn't be allowed a holiday during school hols
maybe that PCSO also has children and maybe its the only time he/she can go
away? I don't know but threse issues are for everyone to solve
2; Vandalism is bad whoever does it, but we should remember it's a minority of
youths who cause these problems, and sadly a number of SO CALLED adults
also cause vadalism.
We have a lovely shelter on the junction of Elms vale/Folkestone Road
Whch gets vsandalised and because of the time it's done(early hours) its
unlikely to be youths, more like adults on way home from pub.
3; So we need to look at this more closely and say yep those yoiuths that
offend need to be sorted, but the adults do to.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
1 September 2010
08:2068265Yesterday afternoon a new tenant moved into one of the bedsits next door. A group of youngsters were helping him move along with a middle aged couple that I assume were his parents.
They parked infront of my drive blocking the exit, an irritation but not a problem. They then proceeded to part fill my drive with furniture and belongings also putting stuff on my dividing wall as they unpacked the van. They even sat half way up my drive playing with a toddler. Did they ask if they could , no.
I said nothing as you never know what the repercussions will be.
I think this is a good example of the way some people of all ages have no respect for other peoples property.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
1 September 2010
09:1068268Point taken Keith but here in River we pay for our PCSO
1 September 2010
09:1768269Sue, we ALL pay for PCSO's through our taxes.
Keith, good post, but surely there is such a thing as holiday cover, even for PCSO's?
All, I am glad the Bill has ended and hope it is soon followed by Coronation St, Eastenders, HollyOaks, Emmerdale, CSI etc.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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1 September 2010
09:2468270Hear hear, Sid !!
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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1 September 2010
10:2468278SUE
I understand, then maybe River parish should be doing more to look into the holiday rota.
anyway the points bigger than that one item
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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1 September 2010
12:0168285River have/had their own dedicated PCSO, part payed for from the parish precept. From the parish council website -
Jason Brett, our PCSO, has pursued a number of issues during the year including antisocial behaviour, criminal damage, garage break-ins, speeding, illegal parking on pavements and HGVs parking in the village. During the year every household received a questionnaire asking whether they would want to retain a full time dedicated PCSO for River, despite having to pay 50% of the cost (about £14,000 a year), when the present contract expires in July 2010. Only 89 completed questionnaires were received from 1800 households. Of these 68 (76%) were in favour of retaining a dedicated PCSO if possible and 29 (24%) in favour of a shared PCSO at no cost.
Police Community Support Officer
PCSO Janet Claringbould
Tel: 07772 226154 or 01304 218110
If urgent and you cannot contact him then ring his control room
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 September 2010
14:1768293gettin back to keith's post he makes a valid point about it not always being youngsters that misbehave.
most of the bad behaviour i see in townis by middle aged people in pencester gardens and young adults in the town centre of an evening.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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1 September 2010
14:2068294Catch up Sid you have been away too long .Ray has explained it very nicely .Yes we do pay through our taxes but River pay twice .We pay towards the Police plus we have our own PCSO .Paid through our Parish precept Temple Ewell do not fund theirs through the Parish precept
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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1 September 2010
16:2568301SUE
I dont go with your argument
if you look at that way Dover has a town council which wepay into
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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1 September 2010
17:1868311I posted the extract from the River parish council website so people could stop nitpicking about who pays for what and maybe get back to the initial topic.
It's clear enough - River by it's population size qualifies for half a PCSO under whatever rules decide such things, paid for from our taxes to Kent Constabulary through the council tax process, and the parish council have decided to bring that up to full time by using funds from their precept which also comes through the council tax process. It's up to the residents of River to decide whether that's a good use of their parish precept and they've had the chance to comment on that.
What's interesting to me is why River consider it necessary - is it due to a lack of general policing, or due to their situation as a village but actually being physically a suburb of Dover and all that implies. Living just a couple of miles away in Lydden is a totally different atmosphere, being smaller everyone knows who is who, looks out for what's going on, and there's generally a lot of respect for neighbours. It also has the disadvantage that whenever anyone coughs (polite euphemism) the whole village knows.
1 September 2010
18:0068325Sue, River precept comes from DDC does it not? Temple Ewell precept comes from DDC does it not. DTC precept comes from DDC does it not?
So, whichever way you cut it, Council Tax payers are contributing through their taxes, which is all I said.
Keith, exactly!!!
