Keith Sansum1
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1 September 2010
18:0268326#21
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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1 September 2010
18:5768349#22
Sid and Keith you donot get it .River pays twice We pay a precept and a DDC counciltax we pay for the police twice once through the Bill from KCC and then we pay fpor our local PCSO .The PCSO in other villages are not paid for by the Parish Precept The police budgets pays for them .So we pay twice .Double rating ??Looik at your Temple Ewe;l precept Sid ansd Keith ypou look at DTc You will not see a sum for PCSO Yours are paid through your KCC police Bill.
Sid its a bit like I paid tax for KCC education and then I paid for my son to go to Dover College so I paid twice .
1 September 2010
18:5968350#23
Four "adults" staggered past my house this afternoon as I returned from work (earlier than usual), sat on my wall, and threw up on the pavement. Apparently, according to the looks I was given, it was my fault. There are rogue kids but there are many many adults who give a literally staggeringly poor example.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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1 September 2010
19:0468352#24
Do they Sue? DDC collect the council tax and pay Kent Police/Fire/Precepts/KCC..... DDC don't pay KCC for Police.....
Been nice knowing you :)
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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1 September 2010
21:5368372#25
Paul point of clarification .DDC are the collecting authority .We as Council Tax payers only pay to the collecting authority .Some goes to Parish Councils ,some to KCC etc .
You have all strayed from my original posting that we in River pay .If we had decided not to continue with our PCSO we would have all been slightly better off our precept would have been lower ..
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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2 September 2010
12:1368436#26
And crime will rise
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2 September 2010
23:2868548#27
But Sue, (I can sense your big sigh already), DDC are not just the collection agency. They must levy on us for their own costs, and they are also an enforcing agency who proivde lots of other services.
Also, if Temple Ewell (I live in Kearnsey btw) residents don't pay extra for their PCSO as it is funded from money we paid to KCC and/or Kent Police (via DDC), why have River residents been charged twice for the same servicve? Surely that is wrong? Did the River residents vote to incur this extra taxation, and if not, what are the Parish and District Councillors doing to right this wrong?
Guest 648- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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3 September 2010
08:2568562#28
S.id me old mate you have now got It .I did not agree to having a PCSO for which we River residents pay half of cost .The money should go towards real Police with more powers The Recreation Ground is another sticking point costs £28,000
I know you live in Kearsney but come under Temple Ewell .I often give you a royal wave as i pass by on the 60 bus .
Back to original subject .The little darlings sprayed every bus shelter in Lewisham Road also the telephone junction boxes in roads off Lewisham Road and Lower Road and completely sprayed out the Historic Panel in Lower Road .
Im on the case
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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3 September 2010
10:2968574#29
Sue
so lets get an ALL ACTION agency to get going on this one.
Whilst the police(pcso) should be involved, they alone won't solve it
nor should they.
On the question of PCSO powers you realy do need to understand the role of the PCSO before wanting them to have more powers maybe one day SUE I can discuss this with you.
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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3 September 2010
14:0668587#30
What do people think of PCSOs in general? (not any particular individuals or situations, please)
Personally I think they are a cheap option and the money would be better spent on boosting the number of real police officers.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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3 September 2010
14:2868591#31
Im not going to talk about personalities either ,however I have always maintained its policing on the cheap .It took two days for someone to g=et back to me re trouble in River .If my legs were a little faster I would have found the little darlings .
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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3 September 2010
14:3968595#32
RAY
Firstly you have to understand why PCSO's were put in place.
They were never put in place to replace POLICE
It's my view that PCSO's are needed, let me give you a few of many EXamples;
1; A family were so upset there boy was missing, at leazst 7 police cars out looking for him, all day no sign of him.
One the youth who usually wouldn't speak to the police, came to me, because I had spent 2 years working and listerning to them.
They told me where the missing boy was.
The police said "how come they talk to you?"
I replied "because I spent time gaining there trust"
2; Another ]example
I was called to the seafront because a fight had started on the sands
on getting there, I saw 5 police cars, lots of police.
One of the youths came to me told me, who started the fight, who had left the
scene, why it started,and who was involved.
Again the police asked how come the youth spoke to me and not any of them
I gave them the same reply.
3; Now let me gfive you a different apsect on these things.
In sandgate a lot of youths had congregated upsetting locals, I sorted them
out, and dispersed them, as they were all leaving along comes a young
police lady who started to inflame the whle situation by demanding names
and slowly the youths started to return, which I was left to sort out.
So there is just a few examples of the NEED for PCSO's
Never to replace the police, and just remember this govt and previous govts are
clear there will be NO FURTHER increases in police numbers so doing away with
PCSO's does not mean you will get an increase in police, you won't!!!!!!
Sure people will now run down the role
I know it works
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 September 2010
14:5368599#33
ray
without a p.c.s.o we would never see a policeperson around our way.
as far as i can see they are a deterrent to low level miscreants, unlike the official ones that swan past safe and secure in a car.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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3 September 2010
15:1368605#34
There is nothing to match the old fashioned policeman on his beat, but sadly I suppose he is a thing of the past.
He knew the likely troublemakers and kept an eye on them.
The young did not grow up only seeing a policeman when there was trouble.
The police were not viewed with contempt by the general public as they seem to be now.
The police just dash round in their cars with little interest in minor crime. Well that is the impression they give the public, which is a great shame. I have never seen a policeman of any kind walk down my road unless they are going to or from their car.
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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3 September 2010
15:4068607#35
I agree with you there Jan, the PC on the beat would have dealt with local misdemeanours before they got worse but would also have the training and powers to deal with more serious situations. Where I live the Old Police House is now a private residence and we see a PCSO for a monthly surgery and to follow up on minor crimes, that's no visible deterrent.
On police numbers that Keith raised, that's my point - with the government saying public finances won't allow any extra police and there will probably even have to be reductions, I'd prefer to see them put the money from PCSOs into police officers.
3 September 2010
16:2368608#36
Firstly let me say I think PCSO's do a grand job and they are all to be commended for creating a successful service.
That said, and only going on the examples provided by Keith, I see nothing there a normal beat copper couldn't do. We don't need the street crawling with law officers of different types, just regular sightings on foot of those looking out for our communities and properly empowered to do so. They can of course, be backed up by fast moving bike and vehicle cops when required. A reduction in admin and admin staff, plus chauffeur driven limousines for the top brass should be done away with, along with anything else not material to the prevention of crime and nabbing of crims.
The current lack of respect for the Police is a direct result of years of invisibility on their part. Ergo, they created the problem and should therefore resolve it. I also don't foresee a need to increase frontline officer numbers, or reduce them for that matter.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 September 2010
17:1268620#37
we have more police officers than ever , the only time this is visibly the case is when they are out on a revenue gathering exercise or a demonstration.
keith is right, getting rid of p.c.s.o.'s will not mean that they will be replaced by all-singing,all-dancing coppers.
the home secretary straight after the election said that officers would be freed up to do police work, much paperwork being cut.
i will not hold my breath.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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3 September 2010
17:4468623#38
I forgot to add....... The policeman on the beat would pick up valuable information by just chatting to the public again stopping crime before it happened, much much cheaper than a paid police informant.
When I was growing up, a policeman was seen as a friend not someone who causes apprehension if they stop and talk to you.
The excuse for the chauffer driven car will be they are working during the journey, they are unable to do that in a taxi I suppose.
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Guest 641- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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3 September 2010
18:2868638#39
I'm sure the PCSO's are doing a grand job, I've seen PCSO's male and female walking their beat all around town, they will never replace the police but are a deterrent I'm sure to many a would be miscreant
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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3 September 2010
22:1968714#40
let me go one step further as still some are not picking up my theme,,,,,,
I gave just a few examples of the value of PCSO's and ended by stating the difference between a PCSO and a police person.
A pcsO HAS THE TIME to talk to people, police rush from one job to the next, dont spend time in one area, are all over the town.
PCSO are in only one ward thus get to know everything that goes on in the ward, just like some have quoted the old bobby on the beat.
Before we(a few of you) decide on the need of a PCSO find out a little more of there value, let me give you one more example l
I walked in a road and as i came to some toilets a police car drove past, a bloke ran off, i went into the toilets a found 3 youths(18 to 25) in a cubicle taking heroin
only because i was on foot were these 3 found, the police in the car would have been none the wiser.
I do hope that those of you that feel the PCSO is of no use I have highlighted just a FEW of the benefits of a PCSO theres loads more
just before i turned int
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