Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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5 January 2010
21:2036453John
I hope you mean this will NOT lay down lol
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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5 January 2010
21:2236454thats what I meant Keith,meeting on the public shut down on your toilets tomorrow
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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5 January 2010
21:2336455howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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5 January 2010
21:2936456come on chaps keep it serious please!!
otherwise it will be just urine under the bridge.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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5 January 2010
21:3236457Toilet`s are popular Howard. I`ve been in the queue breaking my neck trying to get on this post.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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5 January 2010
21:3336458Well to be honest I have never seen so many postings in such a short time.
For months now all I have heard is posters saying stop talking Dover Down, Talk it up.
And now it seems we have our leaders talking Dover down, or should I say bringing it down.
It'll be the same as the snow and traffic bound weekend. SOON FORGOTTEN.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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5 January 2010
21:3736459As i said fully understand councils working together im all for it.
But as sue says,this decision was Mr Collors behind closed doors
I hope john gets organised on any plans to have public meeting on it
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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5 January 2010
21:4936461i was thinking that ian, hopefully it will not be forgotten that easily.
we are now expecting the next snow and lack of gritting, will this be forgotten again too quickly?
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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5 January 2010
21:5336465Petition Keith can be served by 10 members of the public on to the Council,thru Scruity and then to full Council,Andy!
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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5 January 2010
21:5936467No that will not happen when you are in the town and need a looe it will all come back in more ways then one.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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5 January 2010
22:4536468Well at least Paul had the good grace to respond .He never shirks or hides away .I cannot agree with the decision which seems to have been taken by one Portfolio Holder .In all fairness as Paul says some parishes and Town Councils have taken on the responsibilty of the loos .Here in River the loo is the responsibilty of the Parish council .There is always more than one way to skin a cat .Im sure the public would be prepared to pay we could bring back toilet attendants .That is what they have done at Sandwich .They also do that in Fenwicks .I do not intend to go in the Eight Bells or The Prince Albert to spend a penny thanks very much .
Paul if we looked at the money spent on consultants and the endless pieces of paper that come out of Whitfield Im sure there is money to be saved .
Councillors are not meant to micro manage but there is wastage .How many meetings to discuss having a meeting ??
I do really think this has been a very bad decision .Why dont we try to think again .
We dont want to see people weeing in the streets do we ??
Thank you for responding however Nigel would have been a wiser man to have replied .You cannot be expected to take all the blame all the time .
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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5 January 2010
23:0136470Don't forget the Museum, Library, De Bradlei, train station, Hammonds Garage, and I am sure there are others that I would rather use than a public loo !!
Been nice knowing you :)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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5 January 2010
23:0436471did not think that the museum had a facility.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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5 January 2010
23:0636472You hit that nail with a ten pound hammer there Sue.
Meetings about meetings and consultants fees.
All good money going down the pan so to speak.
Takes me back to just after the River Watch days and thats never going to change.
I think we should all move to Deal.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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5 January 2010
23:1136473Shared with the Cinema howard, and all local residents are allowed in free...
Been nice knowing you :)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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5 January 2010
23:1736474i hppe that you do not mean that alleyway paul, we have enough problems with rats there.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 January 2010
23:2136475Brian - if anything has to be closed it is the direct result of the almighty mess that the present Labour Government has made of public finances.
We see already only the initial impact of Labour cuts, yet they speak on about spending more money while chopping expenditure behind the scenes. Anyone who is a school governor or works in a decision making position in public services can see the way budgets are being cut, but this Government is not man enough to admit it.
The simple fact is this is only the start, whatever the result of the election. And yes, there will be many more very difficult spending decisions to be made by Councils and Government. This is just a taster.
It has hit Councils first because people do not understand the complexities of local government finance. By chopping back on central government funding, combined with council tax capping, the Government conveniently gets councils to do the dirty work while the local authorities get the blame.
The truth is the Council is caught between a rock and a hard place. They must cut back on spending, just increasing the Council tax is not an option. A cut of 1% in Government grant means a 3.5% increase in Council tax. Add in the extra duties imposed and not funded by Government, salary increases and cost rises that 3.5% Council tax increase, under these circumstances, could turn very quickly into 14% or more Council Tax rise and that would not be allowed under the capping regime.
The only choice is to cut, but cut what? Much of what District Councils do is statutory and has to be done. OK they could reduce the standard of street sweeping, close sports centres, close parks, increase car parking charges perhaps. Whatever they do will result in an uproar.
I do not like the closure of the loos any more than Andy or any of you, but there was an option available. Town Councils and Parish Councils are not capped and could take on this cost and keep these facilities open. As has been said others have done so. It is DTC's choice to follow on or not. I understand why they might choose not to play ball in this, they too have difficult decions to make in this climate and it is up to them to decide their priorities. I know how difficult it is to make such decisions, after all this is just the start, what demands will come next, from whatever source? But without the money and/or the means to raise the money such difficult decisions have to be made.
This is only the start and a taste of what is to come regardless of who wins the election.
The government's finances have been driven into the ground because of 10 or so years of profligate and wasteful spending and now we are having to pay for it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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5 January 2010
23:3236476that is not the issue barry.
firstly it was only discovered when a poster tried to take the snake for a gallop.
secondly it was an arbitrary decision not discussed.
thirdly no prior notice is given to the council taxpayers, as to why or when.
6 January 2010
07:2636480In a nutshell..........thank you howard.
Brian Dixon
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6 January 2010
08:1536484i was wondring how long it would take to post barryw,but im afraid again you skimed over the issue,with your friend the tory mep hannen chappie saying that the nhs is a60 year mistake along with a majority of mps agreeing.the toilet issue here is a tory desision along with a tory run kcc who allso making cuts,leads to one conclusion,what a tory govermeant do if in power.
