Public mood on migrant workers
- Brian Dixon
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22 August 2013 09:08241539david what do you expect,at the birth rate [6000 babys a day] but out of that only 0.02% are immigrants.acording to the latest figures. - Keith Sansum1
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22 August 2013 09:10241540I agree with mRK post 39
what iv been saying for sometimeALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 22 August 2013 09:13241543You've been saying nothing of the sort.
Mark has compiled a well thought out, intelligent post, all you're doing is agreeing with it without having any understanding of it.
Brian, if your figures are correct it means that 1 child a day is that of immigrants. I don't believe that for a second.
But that is not the point, mine is our resources are overstretched - do you agree? - Brian Dixon
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22 August 2013 09:16241546they maybe overstretched,but that's not my problem.if the government wont invest then things go to pot and get overstetched. - 22 August 2013 09:26241550David, the thread develops in different ways but the number of unemployed is directly linked to the crash of 2008 and I see concerns about immigration rather than an Icelandic response of tackling the root cause. Equitable use of our existing resources would help alleviate the unemployment situation but is it really what government and business want just yet?
Though you won't have detected it I have a deep cynicism of the powers that be whether they be political or multi-national corporation and I see manipulation of news agendas or the singling out of sectors of society as part of that problem. - 22 August 2013 09:41241557Mark, unemployment was virtually identical in 2008, it is disingenuous to blame the financial crisis for all our issues.
I am not anti immigration per se, but with 3m unemployed the last thing we need is more people.
Your cynicism of politicians is nothing compared to mine! We share the idea that a whole new approach to governing, at every level, is required. - 22 August 2013 10:23241567China's one-child policy's human cost fuels calls for reform
Thirty years after it was introduced, the 'transitional policy' endures despite warnings of its punitive effects on China's development
"To all intents and purposes, Li Xue does not exist. True, she is standing in her parents' one-room home in Beijing, in a SpongeBob SquarePants T-shirt and cropped trousers. But with no ID card or household registration, there is no official acknowledgment of her life apart from a hospital form recording her birth and the fine hanging over her family.
"I have never been to school. I can't buy a train ticket. I can't even buy certain cold medicines, which require an identity card. I don't have medical insurance. It's impossible to get a job," said Li, who recently turned 20.
Her parents' refusal to pay for breaching China's strict birth control rules has left their second child without documentation and therefore without access to basic services and opportunities. The one-child policy, which actually allows a third of couples to have another baby, was supposed to be a transitional measure, but more than 30 years later it endures, despite warnings of its punitive effects on China's development and families like Li's.
Repeated attempts to overturn the policy have led to marginal changes. Fresh speculation last week, suggesting a uniform two-child rule might be adopted from 2015, ended in a less dramatic announcement: authorities were considering allowing couples a second birth if one parent was an only child.
"This issue has been discussed for more than 20 years," said Li Jianxin, a population professor at Peking University. "Many good opportunities have already been missed. The policy should have been adjusted a long time ago.".."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/16/china-one-child-policy-calls-reformIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 22 August 2013 10:44241570David, it is the unemployment figures that are disingenuous:
'......people are pricing themselves into work through weakness in pay and the shift to less secure and less well paid forms of work (self- employment, part-time work, temporary jobs).' Michael Saunders (Citi) quoted in Spectator September 2012.
People may be in work but not the in the same way they were pre 2008. Seeing benefit fraud, immigration etc as the cause of our woes is to miss the elephant in the room.
I would love an open, non-partisan discussion on this subject by the politicians but it just isn't going to happen as there are vested interests at play. - Keith Sansum1
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22 August 2013 10:44241571mark
I give up on this thread
but well done for at least getting david to listen
im sure that's davids plan to shut down debate by ridicule
wont work of courseALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 22 August 2013 10:49241572Keith, you have contributed nothing. As usual.
I'm not sure what you mean about unemployment figures Mark - are you suggesting the real figure is higher or lower? Zero hours, part time, cash in hand etc etc who knows where we are.
I've a feeling you and I want the same outcome Mark, we probably disagree on a) where we are and b) how to get there!
Perhaps this can be continued over a refreshing glass of cider
- 22 August 2013 10:55241574Or real ale
- 22 August 2013 10:55241575
- 22 August 2013 12:12241589yes i know this is copying and pasting but this is part of the article i found particularly telling.
The Dutch Deputy Prime Minister has added his voice to concerns over the "negative consequences of the free movement of workers within the European Union". Writing in The IoS today, Lodewijk Asscher warns: "We need to watch out: in some places the dykes are in danger of bursting.
"Most of us benefit from the free movement of workers within the EU. We do not want to see this pillar damaged through dwindling popular support. That is why we, especially on the European centre-left, must think harder about how to make it work in the interests of all our citizens, not just well-educated professionals."