howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1
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All of the article needs to be read, part of the article refers to employers having to go abroad, because British workers are lazy, this may not be the reason, but it is an option that should also be considered.
The idea that we can stop immigrants in jobs would bring the railways/NHS etc to a standstill
the idea needs a re think
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the article is not about immigrants currently in work it is about bringing more in when youth unemployment is dangerously high - a recipe for social disorder.
Jan Higgins
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Very true Howard, that is why so many recent immigrants are unpopular with some in high unemployment areas.
It always annoys me when the media use the phrase "British workers are lazy", we are no lazier than any other nation. What they really mean is many think certain jobs are beneath them when they can get benefits that gives them the same or similar income.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Jan
you have opened a can of worms there, I don't agree with you.
The term LAZY is exactly as you quote, some british citizens feel some jobs are below them(why should they?_)
and they get more on benefits(there lies the problem)
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"The public believes that the Government should ban immigrants from taking jobs while a million British youngsters are unemployed, .."
What is being said here surely is that UK 'citizens' desperately need more job opportunities, especially for those with the greatest untapped potential, and what we get through increased immigration is the Right's much desired deregulated employment practices by the back door.
The unified cry for putting British 'workers' first cannot simply be a hardening of attitudes to foreign labour, it is more of a an increased rage against the attitude, evinced by the policies of successive administrations, that regards the domestic workforce as a problem not worth caring about.
The outlook of the UK Establishment has failed utterly to move on from our days of Empire, and a reliance on the exploitation of, or total abandonment of, the 'lesser' being.
"The rise of Euroscepticism among the electorate is underlined by the surge in Ukip support to 19 per cent..."
There is no "rise of Euroscepticism among the electorate", just a mob-mentality engendered by the blame-shift propaganda of this same Establishment:Politicians, Financiers and their velveteen-glove, the Press.
Yes, golly-gee, we are where we are, and YES it is not where any envisaged we would be and not exactly where any would like to admit we would prefer to be, but the best must be made of a bad job...so blame some(any)body else.
The fault lies, fairly [oops! I said I would not use that word...oh well] and squarely, with us, with our institutions, with our insular island attitude. (yet again, so easily exploited) and perhaps with our ancient village distrust of whatever lies beyond the hill.
If our native workforce is to be allowed to step into the transient employment opportunities, at present filled by economic migrants, we can either cram the unemployed (and certainly the unemployed youngsters) four or five to a room, feed them on pizzas, have them overseen by gang-masters and thoroughly ignored by the rest of us.
OR
We can treat the native workforce as the asset is should be. The asset that 'we' spend so much money in educating and nurturing.
And put them on some sort of retainer.
In order that the changeable conditions of the open-water of temporary, transient job opportunities be augmented by safe-harbours and havens for their domestic arrangements.
Again the fault is not Euro-, but Yours-o. And so the solution is also YOU!!!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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a lot of words there tom, scant comfort for those resorting to food banks because their pay rates have been forced down or those who can't get an appointment to see their gp.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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When I was living in London lots of low skilled jobs on building site where filled by blacks, mostly of Caribbean's descent
As the eastern Europeans started to flood in ,the blacks started to be Disportionately replaced by the white east Europeans
The numbers for the young unemployed, ar even higher amongst the black UK citizens.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Yes Howard; Comfort?
As this is Sunday I have thought better of making my point with this old joke...
"[people] wanted only three things — satisfying sex, loose shoes and a warm bathroom"
But no...
Let's stick with 'comfort'. What is unemployment for, if not to drive down wages? It may well be comforting to suppose that throwing up a wall around the coast will sort this out, but a moments thought would shatter all such cushioned certainty.
Before immigration was the watch-word real jobs were being exported by the same people looked-to now for solutions.
Where is the novelty in screaming, "British jobs for British workers."?
And the cruel irony of Food Banks comes in cans, how far have these travelled to get here?
What happened to 'Buy British!'?
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Brian Dixon
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"buy british" was brought out 30 years under a female prime minister.
work is work as long as people work and pay there taxs,wether british or eastern European,or any one else from the eu.
afro carrabieans brought to uk because of ww2 and the workers shortage.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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we are not talking about the past brian but the future, we cannot sustain the continued rise in population.
other western european countries are saying the same.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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yes howard,the past allways comes about.the firms who are employing who cannot get brit workers turn to the eu to look for employees.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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they can get workers in most cases but find it cheaper to employ through an overseas recruitment agency.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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exactly howard.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Too many people live in UK, 3m unemployed, schools and NHS overloaded, roads logjammed.
The last thing we need is more people
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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oh dear
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Guest 937- Registered: 12 May 2013
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#15
I would have thought any sane person would agree.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I watched The Ladykillers (1955)* the other day, and heard the 'lady', Mrs. Wilberforce, remark that London seemed to becoming more overcrowded by the day.
Perhaps she was the most 'sane' person of her age?
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Its only the bosses enjoying cheap Labour that supporting more mass influx .
Labour ,conservative, and the libs, all support more country's joining
The EU, and the opening of the uk border doors to these mass herds of workers .
Only ukip will stop this happening.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Are we overcrowded? A report by the Institute of Economic Affairs highlights (what anyone who has ever flown over the UK will be able to tell you) that ONLY 10% of the surface of England is developed at all! "The rest mostly consists of woodland, grassland and farmland". In this 10% the greatest use of land is for gardens. Land which is actually concreted over, accounts for one twentieth of the whole of the English surface area. These figures are representative for the 'developed' south east as well as the 'desolate' north east (or north west!).
Beware of newspaper headline writers and gesture politicians!