Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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UKIP will never stop anything happening............
Keith Sansum1
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interesting article 20
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Yes Mark is always interesting, if on this occasion a little disingenuous.
Of course we have space, take Dartmoor or the Scottish Highlands, what we don't have are the resources.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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you could learn from mark then david lol
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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I know Mark well and enjoy his company, he is educated and has considered opinions.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Oh sorry I forgot, lol
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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that's nice
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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pleased to know mark is educated, fits well with his previous job as headmaster.
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howard
you have me rolling up here lol
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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And mark probably has the funds to remove him self, to some gated community if his liberal immigration Policy's all blows up in his face
Brian Dixon
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no kieth,just an unbiased education.has to be to become headmaster.
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David
the resources are there, just concentrated in the hands of a few to maximise profit.
The UN projects the world population growing to a maximum of between 9 and 10 billion and then stabilising. We have enough space, we have enough resources.
We need to speak with care about the immigrant, the aged, the infirm, the disabled and the needy. These are individuals with individual needs and wants and with much to offer. Politicians and newspaper editors would have us believe they are feckless spongers and scroungers draining our resources as that keeps us from questioning their activities.
Keith
you prejudge. But then I already knew that!
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mark
The more people you poor into a country the bigger the social problems and lowering of life quality,
Unless your lucky to be living on a cotton wool protected public sector top end gift pension.
Its Wishful thinking to think world population will stop at 9 billon with out global problems of supply of resources and war
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Mark, there is a danger of conflating separate issues.
It is clear to me with 3m unemployed that we simply don't have the resources to support the infirm, sick and elderly.Lets throw our resources into developing what we have before we add to the problem
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David
Any society that says it cannot support the infirm, the sick and the elderly is one that has truly lost its moral compass. When we say that the vulnerable are worth less than others (i.e. those who work and so are economically productive and therefore of value to the economy) we know the measure of worth is belittled and distorted. And who would benefit most from distortion? Read the following for a plausible explanation:
http://www.social-europe.eu/2013/08/how-our-grandparents-became-our-enemies/
Let's have the truth before we create a problem which may not be there.
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Mark, I agree entirely with your first sentence, although the definition of infirm and sick is open to debate.
Where we differ is on resources, if we had sufficient resources we wouldn't have 3m unemployed.
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Intergenerational relations are not regarded as a specific temporal continuity
Mark, I've c&pd that from your link, it sounds like it comes from Pseuds Corner in Private Eye
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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it all comes back to the issue of there being too many of us already and we cannot handle any more.
there will be no extra doctors, nurses, teachers to attend to extra numbers, in fact the way things are going there will be even less than there are now.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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David, the fact that the piece is written in an academic style does not detract from the central message that it suits certain sectors to recast society and, in so doing, divert attention from other activities. That we are even having such a discussion intrigues me. We have just experienced the world's worst financial crisis (caused by the deregulated financial sector) and we are not discussing how to regulate their activities but how to claw back money from the more vulnerable sectors of society whether that be in a reduction of aid to poorer nations or cutting of benefits. In fact the financial sector, having been bailed out by many who are despised because they work in the public sector, is happily getting on doing pretty much what it did before the crash and probably planting seeds for the next one.
I have watched the increase in negative rhetoric over the past few years laying blame at the door of the 'ordinary' citizen or in fact anyone other than the actual perpetrators and it concerns me. I also know that some see unemployment as a "price worth paying" and capitalise on this - the widespread use (misuse) of zero hour contracts being one example.
I am aware that some people play the system for their personal benefit (tax avoiders, tax evaders, bonus seekers and fraudulent benefit claimants) but I don't subscribe to the wholesale demonisation of the weak and the poor and believe we need to choose our language carefully.
Howard, once the backdoor privatisation of the public services is complete there will be enough doctors, nurses and teachers....you'll just have to be able to afford them!
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Mark, it seems we're talking at cross purposes.
I haven't mentioned banking, tax, regulation or the poor. My assertion is simply that our population has grown to the point where we are overpopulated in terms of resources. The priority should be getting the 3m out of work into jobs that pay taxes, this will support the old and infirm. Once we've done that we can think again