Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
I really have to support my former colleague from DDC days .There is no need for all these attack’s on him .Keith has worked very hard for his community .The Clarendon and Westbury Hall.training youngster in football .He worked for British Rail for many years.PCSO and care homes.He has always fought for what he believed in .He and his late brother union men through and through.
Two very strong Characters here so why not resolve your issues and support the P @O workers .We know Vic is Dover born and bred .i think we all know that .So come on gentleman give it a rest .
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
I really have to support my former colleague from DDC days .There is no need for all these attack’s on him .Keith has worked very hard for his community .The Clarendon and Westbury Hall.training youngster in football .He worked for British Rail for many years.PCSO and care homes.He has always fought for what he believed in .He and his late brother union men through and through.
Two very strong Characters here so why not resolve your issues and support the P @O workers .We know Vic is Dover born and bred .i think we all know that .So come on gentleman give it a rest .
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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- Posts: 6,025
Sorry pressed the key pad twice .
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,928
Not that it is of any interest but iv been an ACTIVE
Trade unionist all my life since 1974 holding many positions and a National negotiator .
I have been on my own unions picket line and never crossed one, and showed solidarity by going on others picket lines (,that means if p and o refused to do a particular job, i wouldn't do it either! That's solidarity .
So that's on the side of the workers
Attending the protest rallies, plus much more .
Speaking against P and O on BBC!
I won't accept jobs at £1.81 an hour
Which is what P and O is doing
Or paying workers just the minimum wage .
This will go on a while .
Of course the inspectors now will in sure find fault as Brian says , you kind replace experienced seamen overnight and expect the new employees on £1.81 an hour(,many who have since walked off ships as they were not aware they were replacing sacked seamen)
I'm proud to be classed Militant or leftie or whatever if it means sticking by, and helping to send the message of the sacked seamen
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
Captain Haddock wrote:The workers, United, will never be defeated?
'430 P&O staff have fully accepted their redundancy offer; 67 Captains and senior crew have signed new contracts'.
Out of those 430 how many had been with the company for many many years so their redundancy offer was nice and high rather than the minimum offered, I know of one who was seriously thinking of accepting the last time I asked.
What were the terms offered to the Captains and senior crew? I would be willing to guess they would be very similar to their old contracts simply because they were needed for their vital navigation qualifications and experience in the job.
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,069
Button wrote:Mr Courts: "There is no one who speaks out with more persuasion, force and passion than she does for the people of Dover..."
Who is the mystery woman?
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Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,544
P&O's response.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Having used DFDS last weekend due to necessity, it struck me the ship I was on was cleaner, less cluttered & certainly appeared less staffed in the areas passengers could observe. It was efficient & safety announcements were different.
There is a marked silence on the take up of the P& O redundancy package numbers & even if the government ??? Insistence on staff re-enstatement were to materialise how many would take it?
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,257
For an 18 year old steward in 1st year of employment £15 000 (if correct) would be a new car and a very attractive proposition. Alternatively a 55yr old purser could be looking at early retirment on £100 000, what would you do?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,928
Of course you have to live
And I suppose it's no surprize (if correct) some have taken the redundancy package .
What is more important here is , if P and O get away with this , who's next ?
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,057
Reginald Barrington wrote:For an 18 year old steward in 1st year of employment £15 000 (if correct) would be a new car and a very attractive proposition. Alternatively a 55yr old purser could be looking at early retirment on £100 000, what would you do?
Less some tax and NI. Maybe. Oh, I dunno - why is everything complicated?
https://www.gov.uk/termination-payments-and-tax-when-you-leave-a-job/what-you-pay-tax-and-national-insurance-on.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Paul Watkins wrote:Having used DFDS last weekend due to necessity, it struck me the ship I was on was cleaner, less cluttered & certainly appeared less staffed in the areas passengers could observe. It was efficient & safety announcements were different.
There is a marked silence on the take up of the P& O redundancy package numbers & even if the government ??? Insistence on staff re-enstatement were to materialise how many would take it?
The fifth paragraph of Hebblethwaite's response to Shapps details the take up figures at that time. Not really a marked silence.
The choice now for the employees is to accept the terms offered or to go for unfair dismissal which they would almost certainly win. The problem with that route is that compensation is restricted to 90 days salary which would be less than the package offered. P&O management (in reality DP World) would have been well aware of this.
In other words, forget about re-instatement. Shapps know about their plans well before they were announced.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,095
Yup. Apart from last sentence.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Yes but less jobs for local people
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Captain Haddock wrote:Yup. Apart from last sentence.
Only if you're gullible or so ideologically motivated that wood and trees are inseperable.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
So now it seems we need to know how DHB will respond. Or are they, as a trust port, unaffected by the 1965 Harbours Act. Way beyond my pay grade!
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/30/uk-announces-plans-to-block-ferries-with-crews-paid-less-than-minimum-wage-from-its-portsButton- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,057
Que? Speaking in the House of Commons, Mr Shapps... said he wanted to see British ports refusing access to ferry companies "who don't pay a fair wage, as soon as [is] practical".
The government will consult on the changes needed to make it a legal requirement, he added, but urged ports to take action "as soon as practical".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60929670
However, responding to the announcement, the boss of the British Ports Association, Richard Ballantyne, said: "While it's right the government and the ferry industry look to improve employment rules and standards, the expectation that port authorities will need to enforce minimum wage rules in the shipping sector could be unworkable.
"This will place ports in a difficult legal predicament, especially before any legislation is in place." Quite!
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,057
DHB, a so-called "trust port", is indeed covered by the Harbours Act 1964. How exactly it is meant to determine the wage basis of crew of ferries, especially since the owner and operator of the ferry and the employer of the crew may all be different, is beyond me.
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