Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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And supposed to be losing a million a day .
That's without the PR disaster
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Matey
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 11 Oct 2021
- Posts: 178
I have to agree with Andy (258). I really don’t think P&O will get through this and DFDS will be waiting to get their ships. To get the right ship for this route is extremely difficult (size, speed, manoeuvre abilities, berth fits, passenger capabilities etc) and these are of course, perfectly suited. I agree entirely with his predictions.
We have all seen them come and go over the years, Townsend, mopped up by P&O, Normandy, again taken by them, SeaSpeed and Hoverlloyd became HoverSpeed, Sealink became Stena that became P&O Stena, Seafrance came and went, Speed ferries was another. I think they call it ‘evolution’.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I do think looking at P and O
They will attempt to ride out this disaster
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,065
P&O Ferries Ltd, aka
Previous company names
Name Period
P&O STENA LINE LIMITED 10 Mar 1998 - 15 Oct 2002
P&O EUROPEAN FERRIES (DOVER) LIMITED 22 Oct 1987 - 10 Mar 1998
TOWNSEND CAR FERRIES LIMITED. 02 Mar 1929 - 22 Oct 1987
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00237626
£138.3m turnover in 2020, £75.7m gross profit, reducing to £63.0m after tax. As Ray would say, don't know who owned the ferries or employed the crew though.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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How much will it's major owners put up with the loss , which is a drop in the ocean to them
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Demonstration today to fight for the reinstatement of staff
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,156
The Maritime and Coastguard Agency says there are no further inspections of P&O Ferries planned at the moment.
https://t.co/FIkuTmzNCa"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
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- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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P&O says seven agency-employed seafarers who returned from shore were found to be in breach of its guidelines on alcohol consumption and were dismissed: ‘We continue to operate a zero tolerance policy towards drinking whilst on duty.’ 19/04
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Yes 800 sacked
Now they have sacked 7 of the £1.81 an hour staff
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Matey- Location: Dover
- Registered: 11 Oct 2021
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You know, sadly hardly any of all the ferries crews are local. Half of DFDS are Portuguese and a mixture of British and Eastern European. I understand Irish Ferries are mostly from abroad too. Even for the British crew, two weeks on is better for commuting so they come from all over and I guess after all these years, skills are now hard to find locally. It’s all such a shame.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Im still of the opinion this has been a PR disaster for P and O
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Matey- Location: Dover
- Registered: 11 Oct 2021
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I completely agree Keith, I really don’t think that they will recover from this. Why they didn’t approach the staff and explain that they are in the s***, and ask them all to take a temporary pay cut or take redundancy, I find hard to follow. Then they could probably have continued.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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And now they have refused entry to other international inspectors
Another PR disaster
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,065
ray hutstone wrote:Does anyone know what is really going on? Is Shapps happy to sacrifice Kent traffic to make a point? My contacts are equally bemused. The hope was that P&O would have something, however limited, up and running next week as per their press releases.
Try this regarding the Kent and Causeway - interesting reading..?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/foreign-flagged-ships-detained-in-the-uk-during-march-2022-under-paris-mou.
#274 "And now they have refused entry to other international inspectors" - I hadn't heard that; what's your source?
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How I Wrote Elastic Man- Registered: 5 Dec 2020
- Posts: 106
What flag are they sailing under now?
Union Jack?
Cypriot?
Jolly Roger?
Matey- Location: Dover
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I am still of the view that they won’t get through this, eventually will be in the hands of administrators.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I hope your right matey
Source RMT press release
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Source RMT press release
Got it now - it's the 20th April one (
https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/dp-world-protest-against-pando-sackings/).
When you posted "And now they have refused entry to other international inspectors" I thought you meant that P&O was refusing access to port state vessel inspectors, such as the MCA or its EU equivalents. However, the press release refers to union officials from the ITF (International Transport Workers' Federation) being denied access by Port of Dover Police when they sought to investigate welfare issues following reports of bad practices on P&O vessels. So, perhaps not quite "Another PR disaster" this time.
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