Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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There you go, the poster got what he wished the paper taking up the story
but what it does reveal is the underlying current of an undemocratic UKIP party
is this just in Dover?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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we will wait for mr ripley to respond.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr Sansam,over the pass 3 years we have seen all the partys doing this kind of act, members even their own MPs geting the push it is nothing new,when new leaders take over a party you see the old ones taken out ,yes it is undemocratic ,I would have liked to have been asked along to the meeting which they got rid of me so I could have had my say but as I said it is not only happing in UKIP now is it?But what it does mean I might be standing again in 2015 or before but we will wait and see, at this time I have my wife to think about and family and I am going to put them first this time.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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No political party in this country, or any other for that matter, has ever been guilty of being truly democratic. Voting nowadays is a choice between different squabbling despotic elites seeking to gain political power and hold on to it at all costs.
This is why I always vote for the candidate and not the party, and will never join any party, although I might work to help my chosen candidate get elected.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Both the main partys have got rid of their own leaders even when in power we have that happen alot over the pass 20years,even a PM have gone in the pass.So Mr Garstin is right and I have also said at election times many many times when voting local vote for the person not the party.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Your last 2 ,lines tell a story peter lol
You are correct (post 25)
but democratic parties (unlike UKIP) give you an apportunity to have your say
and a right of appeal
not just Kick you out as the UNDEMOCRATIC UKIP has done
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I am in some ways hard to get on with at times so I must take part of the blame with what happen,But what it does mean that I might have to carry on again afew more years and stand on my own if funding comes myway but it will not happen till my wife is better.
Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Vic Matcham wrote:I am in some ways hard to get on with at times so I must take part of the blame with what happen,But what it does mean that I might have to carry on again afew more years and stand on my own if funding comes myway but it will not happen till my wife is better.
Victor perhaps it is time to take a well earned rest and let others take up the challenge for the voters. At your age you should be taking it easy and looking after yourself and your family instead of trying to change the world.
As for being hard to get on with............who told you that?!
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr Whysman,it was my wife.
+and members of both forums.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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difficult or not
right to have a say and appeal should be offered
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the result would have been the same though much as it would with all other political parties.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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sorry howard i dont accept that view
the poster should have had a right to have his say and could well of persuaded those present to take a different route
just as they did with another unknown member
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The only thing I cannot get my head round why do it when I was the treasurer the book was made up todate and they did not tell me why they done it , I found out by reading it on the Dover forum,nothing was said to me at that last members meeting at St Marys hall and I told them on this very forum I was coming along to it.Why was I not told that night and why.?Anyway it is all over now and life goes on I have no more to say about it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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peter r indicated on here he did tell you at the st marys hall meeting
the plot does thicken
Members should always have the right to have there say to put there side of the story and appeal if they feel justified
in this case neither happened
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Why do some posters show such a prurient interest in the internal workings of political parties to which they do not belong? I call that unhealthy.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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peter
it happens all the time onhere
please dont change where you stand lol
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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i usually go by the people not the party, i find red gordon to be a decent bloke as i do peter and john from ukip.
i get turned off by party slogans, charlie and clair are decent people but the cheap point scoring is a total no no fro me
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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UKIP are the only party who have not contacted me to solicit my support. (Leaflets don't count). Since Roger Marples died and Vic (ahem) left the party I have had no contact with any current UKIP activists. I never vote (at any level) for someone I don't know personally so any candidate who makes no attempt to make my acquaintance has no chance whatsoever of getting my vote. Perhaps if everyone took that view, we would have a better political system.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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If Roger was still with us he would have sorted it out,what a great person he was to the party but to Dover as well he is very much missed by all.
Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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Mr Sansum, reference post#34...I did not indicate any thing.......Do you remember in the late 1970s/early 1980s when members of the Militant Tendency were purged and expelled without redress from the Labour Party,they included most of Liverpool City Council...One of the Councillors was a guy called Derek Hatton.....The latest example of Labours' so called democracy is members of Falkirk Labour Party being expelled without redress this year......Mr Sansum do not lecture me about democracy,you left the Dover Labour Party because you disagreed with women only short list,which I believe the Labour Party imposed on the members....
Keith S, why are you so obsessed with UKIP?? Were you like this at School ?I bet you were the kid, nobody wanted to play with and you wanted to be included in the popular gang...Sorry Keith,if it brings painful memories of your isolation.
