#75: cold turkey kills more often than it cures, and there are many many better ways to cure addiction. I will not even attempt to extrapolate an analogy any further than it has already been pinged!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i will leave things to darren on this one, he is so clever he has got brains that he hasn't got around to using yet.
i still cannot see how consigning people to the scrap heap helps the country either in the short or long run.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That is not what happened Howard - it was far more complex than that. If you want to put it in those terms then the scrapheap was beckoning without Mrs T and was inevitable without chance of improvement. Mrs T gave the economy a chance to rally and it did just that so that the number of people actually employed in that fast expanding workforce during the 80's gained jobs they would not have had otherwise.
DT1- Location: Dover
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Bern, good point about Cold Turkey!
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 78. ....``I don`t think he even realizes,he is constantly being personal and abusive ``
You speak for several forumites.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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So Reg - what have I personally abused you with? I might make you feel a bit foolish when I challenge some of the things you say but it is hardly personal abuse such as GaryC has thrown around. You perhaps need to learn what is and what is not personal abuse.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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The Thatcher years spawned the yuppies and their me me me greed ridden values that blighted our whole way of life, I despaired at the do whatever it takes to whoever to climb the greasy pole. They only judged people on the size of their salary and the value of their car and houses .
Audere est facere.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that is how i remember it martin, whole communities left blighted while others had champagne breakfasts.
at least she did not claim that we were all in it together.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Dreadful times Howard for the have not's .
Audere est facere.
Loadsamoney summed it all up. Nasty.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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A very warped and distorted view.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Barry at last you agree that you have a warped and distorted view,we all agree with you,you have!
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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During Maggie's Premiership - the 1980s the main decade, I was in my 30s (31 in 1979) and to me it taught that if you work hard, you will do well. That meant at school as well as at work.
It did not teach me, or make me think, "stuff every one else" as every one on here seems to say; it did not encourage me to be greedy either, I don't know why others seems to have that idea.
The "no such thing as society" speech has been taken out of context so many times (I have put the whole speech on here a couple of times) it's untrue.
I am of a very working class background - I was one of six children, born in a council house, my Dad was a postman, my Mum used to take washing in to supplment his meagre wages.
I didn't go to a grammer school, just a "secondary modern" as they were called in the 50s and 60s. We never thought about class, we just got on with life.
Get a job, work hard at it, get promotion, get an increase in wages/salary, buy your house, build your career in whatever field you have chosen. If there's others who are less fortunate (not less hard-working, just less fortunate) help them where and when you can.
In many ways, that attitude seems to be mocked nowadays; I still believe in it though and hope that it will stay with me for the rest of my life.
I am proud to be a Conservative and promote this attitude; Maggie Thatcher I felt, had the same approach but in a bigger way.
Roger
But your background is probably what stopped you sinking into the prevailing culture of self, Roger. Plus, you are a very nice guy! Many younger people, and people with different backgrounds, simply fell into the culture du jour and Loadsamoney was born.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Roger - you are absolutely right in what you say. There is a massive myth promulgated by our opponents about this. A pure fantasy view of the period. There have always been both the greedy and needy plus everyone in between, where most people are, no more in the 80's than at any other time.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 93........most of us have this background.....some a little harder.......how did we end up with different views?
Most of us? As an exceptionally well educated only child I might challenge that. And my own views have morphed considerably over the years.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Who mentioned education?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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If Maggie was still in power we would be out of the EU and I would still be a blue.And we would still have a army, and navy and RAF,without all the cut backs.
Roger
