howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
seems perfectly clear that the secretary of state has given the go ahead but tdc have to continue with the cpo process.
from what one hears of the jg estate it could take many years to resolve.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Now you see some of the factors that impend speedy development David.
But it's all the Council's fault!!
Watty
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 5,673
Mr G's legacy lives on - still dragging Margate down, killed Folkestone seafrons and not left parts of Dover in a particularly good state....
Been nice knowing you :)
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Why the arguments about Margate and what happens to Dreamland it is not our problem.
Dover is what matters and our situation is different we are not known as a derelict seaside resort according to that recent article we are more like a "poverty stricken northern area". Time to change that awful image and when eventually DTIZ actually gets moving hopefully it will change how others see us.
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Inaccurate information Jan, showing how good Thanet are & Dover is doing it wrong.
Perhaps it has highlighted how complex developments are & not as straight forward as some perceive.
It also shows that other communities have to go thru. the same processes and that they are legal & lengthy to get it right. To get it wrong or take shortcuts is costly.
We plough on.
Watty
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 5,673
Cannot understand the negativity and that nothing will happen....
Didn't I drive past and see work on boring for the hotel on the corner of Townwall/Woolcomber Street taking place yesterday?? Work is actually starting om something !!!!!
Build a hotel, undercut the rates and get the phone masts moved from Burlington House. Suddenly the owner loses tens of thousands of pounds of income (with no costs to him) and demolition is the only thing viable as the building is worthless.....
Miracles won't happen but some major steps have taken place in the last few years so all moving in the right direction...
Been nice knowing you :)
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,707
Really if you could all do a better job get elected.... seriously though
As Paul Wells has pointed out Dover has roughly half the population it had during the inter-war years, which frankly does not make us a target location for many national retailers
As Watty has pointed out there is the due process of law to go through for a local authority to acquire land (cpo process) and often, as is the case with the County hotel owners, the initial decision will be appealed thus further delaying an already tortuously slow process.
Like Simon, I get deeply frustrated with the lack of information from the Council about progress on their numerous projects and whilst respecting that there are constraints on what can be said, saying nothing just allows the cynics to fill the void with negativity; something that does none of us any good.
I wholeheartedly agree with those who have pointed out that a fair number of our elected officials work their socks off for the town and also those who pointed out that most prior failings can hardly be placed at the door of current incumbents
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
Well, two days at Canterbury hospital and 4 pages of postings on this thread. Most of those have been out of frustration and to be honest, ignorance of how many things work.
I can understand, to a certain degree, why people are frustrated, but to put it all at the feet of DDC and its leader(s) is plain wrong.
Some postings have been abusive and unnecessarily so; Paul Watkins has been totally honest in all he has said on here and works tirelessly on many aspects of moving Dover forward, as he has said, many of the delays are caused through lack of co-operation (and personal greed) and indecisions on other matters - particularly DHB - DTIZ has not been delayed through that though.
Encouraging retail outlets at Whitfield will just about kill off Dover Town - I was surprised to hear David support that idea; there are a good number of things that can be done to improve Dover, but because I have written them, they are either ridiculed or ignored.
Roger
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
or both.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
That too Brian.
Roger
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
- Posts: 2,594
I find this whole thread extraordinary, ok we've diverted a bit from the original theme but it is clear that Dover is the poor relation of East Kent.
Lets forget Canterbury, Margate is on the up, Ramsgate Marina is buzzing, Folkrestone has a new seafront and shopping centre, Deal and Sandwich are thriving little towns, yet we languish among bombsites, grand announcements and ineptitude.
You'll notice I've brought a couple of threads to the top from more than 4 years ago, I'd bet if I do the same in 2016 we'll be in exactly the same situation.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
And your comments do you and Dover no justice David.
The Dover Forum is read far and wide by many different people, some may well be potential developers and your comments will or may, encourage them not to come here.
The major problems Dover encounters is through no fault of the District Council.
We all want new development here, but so much negativity will not help at all. Talk the Town UP, not down.
Roger
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
I canot get involved with politics however Paul Watkins works tirelessly for our District and as the Chairman i attend many events and speak up for our District.Im off to support St Edmunds school in a few minutes special mass at Canterbury Cathedral. .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
david you are cherry picking a bit here, overall dover is a much better place to live than margate or ramsgate, the crime figures show that.
where in folkestone is the new sea front, looks like a wasteland to me?
ours is stunning despite what the mp says.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
- Posts: 2,594
There speaks two representatives of DDC.
You people are the problem not the solution.
Look at Scotchie and Phil at the Western Heights, they roll up their sleeves and get things done. Look at Ross Miller and others, they dont want recognition they'd just like to think the authorities are behind them, not just windbags.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
- Posts: 2,594
Howard our seafront is lovely thanks to DHB
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
only partly david, the new section was funded with government seachange money and the implementation was done by ddc.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
the new sea front was not in folkestone when i was there yesterday.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
- Posts: 2,594
Apologoes Howard I saw some plans, perhaps they have pipedreamers over there as well.
Roger castigates me for wanting out of town development, I was merely following on from Paul suggesting he could fill Whitfield up. Now if there was all sorts of activity in the town I could understand that, but nothing is happening anywhere.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
david
one minute you berate ddc for having plans that have not come to fruition, the next praising thanet and shepway for having plans that have also not come to fruition.
describing sue and roger as "being the problem"
first of all roger is not in the cabinet so has no say on major decisions, sue is chairman, a position which is a mixture of the ceremonial and fight referee in the council chamber, she has no say in any decision making.