howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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david
dreamland and the dtiz are both derelict sites that are expected to come to life when the cpo's are through, no heritage money for the dtiz though.
margate had two distinct advantages over us when putting its hand out for lottery money.
a) dreamland is/was a national icon, everyone associates the name with margate.
b) turner is closely associated with margate, whilst the best we could say was that rolf harris stopped here to take a leak once.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Sorry to contradict David but Dreamland is not being redeveloped until CPO process is completed [cuurently going thru.courts with estate of late Jimmy Godden & others who have holdings in Bench St.]& even then there is no developer in place just a Trust or something similar I believe which does not have all the money to do the project.
As for turning away business that is not the case. I stated retail & other uses. The reason is pretty straight forward. Why would we allow retail onto a business park unless it can't be accomodated in the town centre. That is the purpose of DTIZ scheme. Pretty stupid to allow something that the town centre could accomodate & undermine existing scheme.
So you don't agree, well that's your perogative.
Watty
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Paul I'm confused, this is what you posted yesterday:
I could fill up White Cliffs Business Park with retail & allied activities tomorrow but what's the effect on the town centre.
The purpose of the DTIZ scheme is not in doubt, its the pace its moving at thats frustrating, 10 years and counting.
Paul, yesterday you accused me of being abusive, which I haven't, I stare all day ay a DDC site rapidily being overgrown, its my duty as a local ratepayer to hold those who control the money to account. All you've come back with is "get yourself elected".
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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What is it you want bought to account that was not stated in the Dover Expess article?
If you have further queries you are prefectly entitled to make a Freedom of Information request as I previously posted. there are no secrets.
If you fail to get the info you require you have recourse to the Council's external auditors. They are independent of the Council and will qualify the accounts if there are irregularities or democratic procedures have not been observed.
Mandy Weir at DDC is the staff member who deals with F.O.I's.
If it is not these things that you require then it's the ballot box or courts.
Hope this helps you.
Watty
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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#344 It is not the Council's land until CPO process is exhausted. It is privately owned.
Watty
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Not sure what you're talking about now Paul.
The link above states clearly the trust is renting the site from the council for a "peppercorn rate". In other words the public sector is getting out of the way and letting, as you say, the market get on with it.
Tell you what Paul, the DTIZ site, get DDC to give it to a local group for a "peppercorn rate", I guarantee within no time it would be full.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i read it as saying the peppercorn rent will come into effect when the council owns the site.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Taken from the link
The park will be run by the Dreamland Trust, which will be given the site by Thanet District Council for a peppercorn rent.
Paul, if we can get together a DTIZ trust will DDC give us the site for a peppercorn rent?
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Sorry David, Thanet Council don't own the Dreamland site. It is owned by the estate of J. Godden & other who have interests in Bench St.
Until such time as the CPO process is completed in favour of Thanet Council it remains the property of the above. I believe they are appealing the CPO process, therefore deadlock. Hence Thanet Council have no land to give away at a peppercorn rent.
The same would apply to DDC [under your idea]. If you do not use the site for the purpose it is being CPO'd then the landowners/tenants could challenge the process.
Sorry you are entering extremely complex legal matters that are not straight forward & ensure legal bods retire in comfort for advice or challenging the process which is currently going on.
Another matter not for a blog while processes are underway.
Watty
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Hang on Paul, both BBC and kentonline state clearly TDC are letting the Trust have the land for a peppercorn rent, is that not true?
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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From the link
Thanet council has been given the go-ahead to purchase Margate's disused Dreamland theme park.
The authority wants to turn the site into a £10m heritage park with historical rides and sideshows.
The secretary of state for communities and local government gave approval for the compulsory purchase of Dreamland following a public inquiry.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Probably when they own it, but currently they don't until CPO & legal processes are concluded.
And they can [in theory] only use it for the purpose of the CPO.
That deals with the point about DTIZ and a Trust, there is no scheme, no planning permissions, there is no CPO, therefore Burlington House stays in place. And the processes start again---some years in the future. You would be popular.
But I know nothing , David. Just one of those Councillors-------
Watty
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You see Paul this the confusing bit, BBC says TDC have bought Dreamland are effectively giving it to the trust - you say thats not true.
You've been saying for 18 months DTIZ is underway, Cllr Walkden says it started in 2002.
Who knows what to believe, all I know is the land behing me looks like a 3rd world country and nothing has been done for years.
Brian Dixon
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david,all though i agree with you about the ditz area looking 3rd world,i allso agree that we have been waiting 70 years for redevalopement,legal matters and planning take time.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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It is not true. TDC do not own the site. They have threatened the CPO and the Godden family etc are appealing against it and hence possibly delaying any possible development even further......
Been nice knowing you :)
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Just to update you David,
.
MTCRC has appealed the decision of the Secretary of State to allow Thanet DC to CPO the Dreamland site.
Source Isle of Thanet Gazette.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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seems perfectly clear that the secretary of state has given the go ahead but tdc have to continue with the cpo process.
from what one hears of the jg estate it could take many years to resolve.