howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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most of the cheap labour brought in from the third world work in factories or farms and are paid nowhere near the minimum wage of this country.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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And the UK taxpayers will be providing tax's credits and housing benefits to subsidies this cheap workforce
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
not unless you can crowd 10 people in a box room.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
you may be thinking of our eastern european friends keith, i am referring to overseas agencies that are used by cheap skate employers.
no tax credits or housing benefits for them, they get to luxuriate in nissan huts and run down caravans.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 4,010
Good old IDS...............someone said !!!!!!
Iain Duncan Smith may yet have to eat his words and attempt to live on £53 a week
A petition with more than 455,000 names calling on the Work and Pensions Secretary
Iain Duncan Smith to back up his claim that he could live on £53 a week by doing so
for a year was due to be handed in to his Whitehall department today.
Mr Duncan Smith, who lives in a 16th-century Tudor mansion, made the claim last
week as he announced reforms to the benefits system. The petition, the fastest-growing
in the history of the Change.org website, was dismissed as a "complete stunt" by
Mr Duncan Smith, who said he had experienced life "on the breadline".
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 4,010
Courtesy Independent...........
Prepare your lachrymals for the heart-rending tale of Iain Duncan Smith's
trying months of hardship
Plus: Mad Mel's insane logic on Philpott is incontrovertible; Petronella Wyatt bares
nearly all for a mere £35,000; and Liz Jones, the Rosa Parks of our generation
After the most heart-rending interview since Simon Cowell told The Looking Glass Gazette
of his struggle to find enough Florentine renaissance mirrors to furnish his LA mansion
, how long now before a dramatist writes the Kennexfest drama, The Hardship Months
of Iain Duncan Smith?
Days after IDS's chat with the Daily Mail's Andrew Pierce, the lachrymals still seep over
how, when he left the army in 1981, poverty obliged him to "live illegally" with his future
wife Betsy in a bedsit.
Precisely which legislation the Outlaw Dozy Fails broke is uncertain. It may well have
been the since-repealed Censorious Landlady (Living In Sin) Act, 1956, which carried
a minimum sentence of concerted tutting and old-fashioned looks.
Why IDS, pictured, claimed no benefit while briefly out-of-work is also obscure, though hurried
references to bank savings and Betsy being employed cannot be discounted. Anyway
, this tale of gruelling deprivation explains his fury at the petition asking him to live on £53 a week.
"I have never taken anything from anybody else," thundered this king of self-reliance,
who lives rent-free in his father-in-law's £2m Tudor house.
"I ... make my own bloody way in the world ... The personal vilification we have endured
over where we live is outrageous."
Isn't it though? It's an abhorrence. The stigmatising of those who must rely on housing
benefit, be it from their literal family or the metaphorical one we used to call "the state",
has no place in an all-in-it-together society, and it's tremendous to see this warrior against
social injustice opposing it so strongly.
Keeping culture in the family
We already know, by the way, where The Hardship Months will be staged. The play will debut
at the National's Cottesloe Theatre, named after Betsy's Arts Council stalwart grandfather,
the 4th Baron Cottesloe. The importance of traditional family values in testing times cannot
be overstated.
Thankfully, IDS's in-laws need not scrape by on the one title. Betsy's father, the 5th Lord Cottesloe,
is also the 5th Baron Fremantle of the Austrian Empire. Why Austria saw fit to honour a Thomas
Fremantle in 1816 seems less a mystery than why no one disavowed the title after the
Anschluss, when it effectively fell under Hitler's aegis.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
Pathetic.
IDS has lived on the breadline in real life. This idiotic petition should be ignored the way all idiotic petitions should be.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
"Then in 1981, aged 27, he left the Army and signed on the dole for several months."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/why-iain-duncan-smith-should-look-1400558
Maybe he did but can he do it now for "several months", he could easily have used savings or help from his family. IDS really should think before he opens his rather pompous mouth.
As a family of 5 back in the late 60's or might have been early 70's when my husband was laid off the ferries during the winter months we really struggled on his dole money and family allowance, thank goodness I did not have to buy new clothes during that period we would never have managed.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 4,010
Ditto Jan......Mum had five children to care for `Dad` left home when I was six,youngest brother was two.
How she coped we still wonder.There were hungry days.Clothes were handed down,problem for me
was I had two elder sister,the jeans had side zips.....swinging days.good days ....
.Mum did a grand job ....all children have `weathered` well.
IDS does not have any idea what `breadline` is / was...............
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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those words will haunt him from now on they will be thrown back at him repeatedly and rightly so.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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There is nothing at all pompous about IDS. He knows what he is talking about far better than the champagne socialists who are attacking him. You are assuming that he wanted to ask for help from family and that he had savings Jan. You know what they say about ASSUME, it make an ASS of U and ME.
He was asked a question and it was the person who asked it who was exposed as a fraud and was based on a totally false premise.
Benefits are not a solution, they are a problem and his reforms are about stopping them from being the problem locking people into the benefit culture.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
- Posts: 3,370
Maybe when wages for MPs comes up again £53 a week could be chucked in the pot
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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The Pompous defends the defenseless Pompous on a subject they do
not have any knowledge of................as usual.....................
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
well said jan
maybe we should only pay MP's £53 a week
what a saving that could be.
Many of us have been through this poverty in time, I think jan is correct in her last post
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
barryw,why cant the man do what he would do,or are you frightend of egg on faces.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
Reg Hansell wrote:The Pompous defends the defenseless Pompous on a subject they do
not have any knowledge of................as usual.....................
Inanities from the sanctimonious one who always ignores the facts because they are inconvenient.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
and at the end of this charade the benefits bill will not be cut according to the man who can live on 53 quid a week.
they say that we get the politicians we deserve.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
- Posts: 2,594
Lets be honest here - nobody wants to live on £53pw, whether you did, could or should is irrelevant.
But the point is we all (well most of us) agree the welfare bill needs cutting.
Less handwringing more reality is required.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that's the whole point david, the bill is not being cut.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
- Posts: 2,594
Well if the bill isn't being cut why all the fuss about £53 pw?
I've been saying this for ages Howard, so many people are in for a massive shock, we all need to stop whinging and get on with things.