howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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29 September 2010
18:1472993keith
it is all just hot air, dave1 has already pointed out that when push comes to shove (emergencies, blood transfusions etc) the private sector cannot deliver.
they do an excellent hotel service for wealthy hypochondriacs and minor operations though.
Keith Sansum1
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29 September 2010
18:1672994HOWARD;
I fully understand your view.
What can happen though is a slow run down of our highly valued NHS
the danger signals are there
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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29 September 2010
18:3372996Would that be like the slow rundown of Buckland Hospital since Gwyn Prosser got elected in 97 by claiming it was safe with Labour?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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29 September 2010
18:3772998Howard - I want a better health provision for all and the NHS is just not good enough despite the commitment of its staff and it needs reform. Not extremist at all, silly comment that.
You really dont understand PME Howard- my wife received superb treatment at The Chaucer for her cancer on her employer funded PME (she worked for DDC). She died in that hospital after 11 months of treatment and never being a burden on taxpayers or the NHS.
You owe me and everyone with private medical cover plus all the excellent staff who work in private hospitals an apology for your disgraceful slurs on private patients and private hospitals. Rich hypocondriacs indeed.
Dave1 - of course those of us who pay for private health insurance pay twice, that is why tax relief on premiums is justified. Also we who pay these premiums and also contribute to the NHS, are fully aware that private does not cover all contingencies, that is why no-one sensible suggests any kind of opt-out. The private and state sector can be complimentary and the more people take up PME means overall increases in the resources devoted to health, it leaves more dosh available to improve key NHS services for all of us and specially for thos who cannot afford PME.
29 September 2010
19:0573007The GP Consortia and re-shuffle of PCT bods will have an effect on emergency care: it is not viable to provide it outside the NHS currently, but with the correct contracts in place (hello....my job....) and sufficient planning it is possible to create a more holistic NHS-external healthcare system. Don't get me wrong, I totally support the NHS and the free at the point of delivery concept, but I recognise that there are better ways to deliver it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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29 September 2010
19:1273012BAZ;
I'm sure you will agree private medicine also takes resources away from the NHS IF YOUR HONEST THAT Is
BERN;
iT appears the GP consortia don't want to go down this new route.
they dont want to be finance managers
they want to treat patients
fair comment i THINK
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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29 September 2010
22:1573039No Keith - it does not.
Dont you understand the costs involved in cancer treatment in respect of my wife alone? The initial breast cancer diagnosis and treatment, the secondary brain tumours 3 years later and 11 months of terminal illness thereafter. None of it paid for by the NHS, apart from GP referral. Multiply that by all the patients cared for in private hospitals paid for by the insurance they, or their employers, pay and you have a massive burden lifted off the taxpayer and the NHS - leaving more resources to cover treatment for those who do not have private cover.
The cost of private heath insurance is increasing by the way - the reason is the availablility of the life extending drugs NICE are not allowing on the NHS and are available to those who go private. I hope that changes soon, its simply wrong.
Howard I await your response and apology.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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29 September 2010
22:2273040Your turn Keef.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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29 September 2010
22:3273043Even as a loony left wing red flag flying socialist I have to admit to spending £70k yes £70k of my own money not insurance cover money in order to have 3 operations one of which saved my lifr..much to my exwifes annoyance.She would rather had a new motor....
Health care should be free for all but if you can afford it then why not have the choice?
Marek
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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30 September 2010
07:0473048MAREK;
There is a real danger of this becoming very personal, so I will refrain from posting to much more on this subject,
Private does take dosh from NHS I will leave it at that.
MAREK;
iT'S no problem private health if you can afford it, and if it doesn't affect OUR NHS
IAN;
wITH regard to MY TURN posters have in the past asked for people to post so as It's not just conservatives posting on political issues, which I'v attempted to do.
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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30 September 2010
08:4873066Not sure that I have attacked anyone or become personal other than relating my tale of woe.My operaton was carried out about midnight when the Doc was in his own time.
Marek
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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30 September 2010
08:5273067MAREK;
Iv always thought you to be a level headed guy(and still do)
cheers matey
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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30 September 2010
08:5673069no apology from me barry, i am going by personal experience of the good and the bad times.
the good side was displayed to me again yesterday, appointment 3,15 pm at the k and c, arrived 2,45 pm saw a consultant at 3 pm, discussed the procedure with him, taken to a state of the art room, had a gastroscope (all the time the doctor and nurses are explaining exactly what they are doing and why.
2o minutes later saw consultant again, he explained all about the findings and the bi opsies taken, even gave me a computer print out.
the n.h.s is not perfect but at the sharp end they deliver on a grand scale.
when i lost my partner to cancer the efforts made by the medical staff went far beyond my expectations.
this service is free at the point of use regardless of ability to pay.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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30 September 2010
09:0073071HOWARD;
And I do think that to be the fear, the slow run down.
As you say the NHS isn't perfect but improve it is a better way than running it down
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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30 September 2010
09:1273076I am very disappointed in you Howard - I though you were better than that.
You issued an ignorant and unjustified slur and insult at people who work and use private medical. You branded it and users as rich hypocondriacs.
That is demonstrably wrong and I proved that.
Sadly you seem to be more interested in promoting ignorance than doing the right thing.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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30 September 2010
11:2373091BARRYW;
I hope we can get back to debate, and get this forum back to where it was, noyt frightened of making comments.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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30 September 2010
11:5773096How would you feel Keith if your deceased wife was effectively described as a wealthy hypocondriac in a post that has as much relation to the real world as Luke Skywalker...
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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30 September 2010
12:0173098BARRYW;
I'm certain HOWARD meant no slur
lets close this book, and move forward
hopefully
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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30 September 2010
12:2873106Then he should be man enough to say so and apologise Keith.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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30 September 2010
12:4873112ok barry my comment on the hypochondriacs was over the top and i apologise for that.
my disdain for private healthcare remains, i know many that have had it and found that their cover was inadequate when they had a recurring illness/complaint.
to get the equivalent of "fully comprehensive" cover is out of the reach of the majority.
i have no problem with the people use private health, if i was desperate and could afford it i would do so.
the n.h.s works purely for the benefit of the patient and cannot be bettered 99% of the time.