Keith Sansum1
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yes
3 layers oif officers wages
top tier being on over £90,000
2nd tier around £50,000
and then the 3rd tier
and then other chief officers/directors
in one council alone gives an indication in savings
services being more local if ut were kcc that went also the case
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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no keith i am looking for facts and statistics.
the bottom line and how many people lost their jobs.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Howard, I think the answers will be as illusive as when you ask Vic a direct question.......
I think the proposal is that DDC, Shepway and Thanet join together. Two of them all lose their staff and the one that is left does the work of all three?? People in Thanet could be doing planning applications for the Romney Marsh?? A thousand people lose their jobs.
The Districts Council tax only makes up 10% of what you pay with the majority to KCC, Police, Fire, so it may cost £60/70 a household less a year, in exchange they get a very bad service?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i fear you may be right on this one paul, i would have expected reg to have given some examples by now.
it is an interesting subject as the politicos are not doing their usual posturing and is most definitely a non party issue.
what worries me is that decision making would be even more remote than it is now if the plan goes ahead.
ok town and parish councils would still be around but at present when they say yes or no to a planning application this can be reversed for no apparent reason which could be worse at unitary level.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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My other thought is say it goes Canterbury, Dover and Thanet?
People are already moaning that Deal gets priority over Dover (though I cannot see it).
Thanet is the most deprived and Canterbury is 'The City' so just think how Dover would fare in the middle......
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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paul scotchie you are correct that deal does do better than dover,
but that said any new forms of govt will have to be carefully thought and rather than political point scoring the 2 main parties should agree to a base as to which form of local govt they want to see.
In the past when this has been on the table political parties didn't look at any new forms of councils in the interest of the electorate, but in the interests of there party, that has to change
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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looking around it seems that deal people think the council spends all the money on dover and dover people see it the other way around.
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As far as I can tell there is no money either way, I cannot see anything Deal is getting that Dover isn't and vice versa..... Sounds like another Vic arguement with no basis !!
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Keith.
How does Deal do better than Dover?
I would say Dover needs more money spent on it but that is a different matter
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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moving away from the original thread so best leave that one for another thread garyc
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That's a cop-out Keith if ever I saw one. Threads always diversify.
Roger
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Following on from Reg' comment....
"It will need a well structured/informed Campaign..............Any one interested?"
I am still waiting for an answer to my question (and also Howard's question) - what is this campaign going to lead to in savings for me as a council tax payer and at the cost of how many jobs ??
Can't see how we can enter into a debate if there are no facts to base it on ????
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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how did our other member speak/vote on the issue?
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Why the reluctance to answer a simple question if it is all so easy ??
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i've looked everywhere and the issue of unitary councils saving great wheelbarrows full of money cannot be found.
it seems a complete mystery unless one of the proponents of the idea can come up with an example or two.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 63.75.
A full detail of the potential economies of scale needs to be evaluated and must initially be submitted to the people who
will be able to decide we can progress to a Unitary.
This project will be a prolonged effort,to bat it about on the forum it will become stale.and lose its impact.
The economies of scale are through out ``All Expenditures`` but in an effort to encourage you to consider the matter
further at the right time.
The four Councils of East Kent have a wage bill of £ 50 plus million....................management costs are 50% of this
amount.................we only need one management team to run East Kent Council costing approx £ 15 million.
The majority of staff will still be needed.
With an East Kent Council...............a KCC will not be required..................a pro-rata of the £Two Billion will save many more millions.
# 77........many of the areas of savings were set out in my Public Question to Dover District Council and posted on the
Forum in July.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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pure political speak there reg, we need to know how the ones that have gone unitary have fared.
your figures are based on supposition and projected figures, all very different to bottom line.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Correction......................Unitary is not Political................a thesis will take longer.
