howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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getting back to the first post i notice that ms kerswell is leaving to pursue new interests.
a cynic might suggest that she is having a swimming pool installed so that she has somewhere to wash the money.
I think its a bit of both , most systems can be used well and to ease a process or they can be used obstructivley to hide a fact in a plethera of information or delay a process, There is nothing more unweildly than the buerocracy (sp) of the NHS, and I know that can be used to obstruct , prolong and impede a process and the same processes used by different people with a different spirit can enliven , inform and promote a positive outcome
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Perhaps our KCC representatives shouldn't allow someone to be employed in the first place with terms and conditions that resulted in a payout like this? After a contract is in place and that is the basis on which they are employed it, it would be out of order to be denied what was agreed....
That said with out knowing exactly what benefits she brought (cost savings? saving what would have been more costly with consultants?) it is difficult to really comment without the full context
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Keith Sansum1
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its all so out of date these days
an outrage that anyone gets pay offs so high
and now that my old mucker agrees on unitaries
what will he be doing tio campaign for a unitary?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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not sure that unitary authorities are the answer keith, the bigger they are the more they are likely to throw money away.
they would be more unaccountable than they are now.
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I know Gordon Cowan laid into Paul Carter today,he indicated it would make Carter's job of becoming a total dictator easier!
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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Not very grown up - even if there is a grain of truth in there somewhere
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Ross
did you have your head down deliberatly yesterday when you saw me lol
howard;
unitaries may not be the full answer but 3 councils all costing us a fortune to keep running in todays climate needs urgent review.
we don't need 3 councils we need now too look at how at least 1 can disappear.
giving that work to the other 2
i'v always liked the idea of decisions being made at the lowest possible area
thus if paulw is serious on the KCC then lets hope together all parties can look into how best kcc can be done away with
unitary is one option and im sure with pressure from our paulw and other parties it could come about
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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this is what the staff think about the shambles with ms kerswell and the disappearing mr carter.
can see their chagrin over the issues.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/2011/december/16/katherine_kerswell.aspxRoss Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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No Keith - was just late for the train so in a bit of a rush
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Unitary is just jargon for a bigger district. Kill the present districts, divide Kent into 3 or 4 regional councils, give town and parish councils more power, funding and control of minor aspects like parking and public bogs and parks. But to achieve this we need to lobby Westminster not Maidstone or Whitfield.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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post 32 cant say i disagree with this(as a start) but with the support of local councils for such a move would make it happen
at present thats not happening
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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And it never will. You get nowhere by putting the axe in the hand of the victim.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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peter;
with the break up of district councils you could also look at ythe need of a county council as well.
and like i say with the support of all it could happen
at the moment that support is not there
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Yes Keith and I believe 3 or 4 unitaries in Kent ought to replace both KCC and all the district councils. Something which Reg and I agree on.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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reg and me and you peter
cor blimey this is becoming a habit lol
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 32.Agree.With may be one or two caveats.
To have one or three Unitaries can evolve /develop during what will be a long transition period.
The ability of Parish and Town Councils to absorb more responibility will need careful consideration bearing in mind they are volunteers and part time.How ever they will be an important element in the final structure.
Westminster must be the main target but the support of Maidstone and Whitfield will be necessary/required.
KCC Chief Paul Carter will need a lot of attention but with basic differences with Gove on Education and Education representing half his budget he will be aware KCC`s days are numbered and his influence on Government will reduce KCC`s once powerful influence.
Leader of Dover District Council PW is supportive but having experienced the tasks/problems facing him he will need heavy back up.My attempts to interest Canterbury,Thanet and Shepway years ago were not encouraging.ie. Putting the axe in the hands of the victims.
Recent emails to all East Kent MP`s produced only one reply from our own MP Charlie Elphicke who is in agreement with the enormous Economies of Scale involved.We will need East Kent MP`s on board.
Eric Pickles I have never met and this is where Charlie Elphicke MP with his tenacious support on the Hospital and Port will be invaluable.
Main target must be Pickles for the necessary legislation.
It will need a well structured/informed Campaign..............Any one interested?......It will be a long haul !!
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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With a unitary, KKC is split into 3/4 areas.
So schools, highways, social services, etc, etc are all split up and have to duplicate all of their back office support staff that are already covered centrally. So the number of staff will actually then increase to do the same work ??
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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My proposal has always been for one Unitary...East Kent Council....one Education,Social services,highways
etc,etc..................but lets have the debate and iron out the Pro`s and Cons......please join in !!! We need the
negatives and the positives.
