Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Labour chose not to adopt measures to limit people coming from Eastern Europe when they had the chance, unlike many of our EU 'partners'. Sadly we cant go back, what is done is done. Like you Howard I want out of the EU and eventually I am sure the Conservatives will get us out.
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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If we did come out of the EU, we would require huge resources pumped back into Immigration control as virtually everyone would be subject to control and require landing. That isn't happening anytime soon, quite the opposite in fact...
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Hi Phil. It's not that catastrophic! Visitors coming as tourists, such as from Western Europe, the USA or wherever, could have a tourist stamp on their passport on entering, and no-one without a work-visa would be allowed to get a job unless eligable such as British citizens. Any other people eligable to work who are not British, such as Irish, Italians, French, Scandinavians and others, would have a special work visa.
It's not that I don't want other people working in our Country, contrary to what some might have thought, only, why Poles, Poles Poles in enormous numbers? Why can't we British choose who we would like to come over, and in which number. I would agree with Barry and his tens of thousands a year figure, only, I prefer Italian, French, German, Scandinavian, Spanish and Portuguese, Greeks, Swiss. Why do some people always have to ram their own preferemces down other people throats, with their eastern Europe millions and masses, and not consider the preferences of other citizens! I'm not at all racist!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Marek, if I wish to propose that Italians, French, Scandinavians... be allowed among the tens of thousands of people who should be allowed to immigrate among the British every year, I don't need to ask you for permission! I am British, and have my own democratic preferences! And therefore the right to make the proposal!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I think Alexander is not out of order with his post .You can download the UKIP full policy on Immigration and Asylum"from the "policies"section or
www.ukip.orgGuest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Poland is a full member of the EU therefore their nationals are allowed to seek and gain employment in the UK or elsewhere in the EU.So Vic and Alex you are both displaying a form of racism.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
"I'd define the immigration policy as follows. British people have been neglected in their own Country, many young people leaving school left to rot" (AD)
NOT left to rot, but choosing their own path, Alex D. I am a bleeding heart liberal, a leftie, a fluffy social worker type (Actually that's not true: I am a proper ann widdecombe manager hell bent on sacking the inept and penalising the lazy. That is true, when I am at work....) but politically I am the soft, rather blurred leftie in striped socks and a hairband type. And even I can see that people have choices, make lifestyle choices and refuse support and help when it's offered. I recognise (soft cuddly fluffy bit) that it can be a challenge to overcome societal deficits and family fractures, but (hard nosed manager with guts of steel and head of flint) people have choices to make, are mostly grown up and with full mental capacity, able to vote, have kids, smoke, drink, play a full part in the privilege that is deomocracy, and so should, therefore, BEHAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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alex,let me one thing straight i am not polish,i have no objections to the polish being here along any eu citizen.marek and i have met and had long chats on various ocasions.i am not botherd what touge you can speak wheater its german,french or outer mongolian.you have just as much right to live in any eu country you care to mention.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Bern,Brian
As always my thanks
Sometimes I feel my judgement may be clouded by my ethnic background but when faced with attacks on any national not just my Dads (Polish) or my mother (Irish) or my wife (Filipina) I have no hesitation in standing up and putting my point forward.My father was in the Polish Air Force 1933 -until demobbed in UK),Free Polish Air Force,French Air Force and the fantastic RAF from 1941 to 47,and I think I have a right to voice my opinion.
If I have upset other forumites please accept my humble apologies.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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marek,no apologies needed.
Marek, the only one causing offence here is Alexander, and he owes you an apology. HIS freedom to spout racist rubbish was bought for him by the Allies of WW2, which included Poland. He should remember Polish teenagers died so he can enjoy his life.
I was born some years after the war, but had parents and quite a large number (8) of uncles who fought alongside Poles. To a person they said the same thing "they were the bravest of the brave". From this tiny part of Dover, they will never be forgotten, God bless each and every one of them.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Sid
Thank you and for very moving post.I was lucky to meet my Uncle Henryk who was involved in the Warsaw uprising and taking food into the Ghettos.When I visited Poland in 1980 ,I caught a taxi to the old reconstructed city it was about 4 miles in total but the taxi driver refused to accept any payment and to quote him...."you went to war because 'we' (Poland) were invaded by the nazis...how can we ever repay you?"
Thank you!
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Bern, please believe me, I WILL vote democratically, and DO express my oppinions, and you can believe me, I'll vote the sort of people you like in Parliament OUT by the quickest way, by way of vote!
Marek, if you are suggesting I have questioned your right to be a British citizen, or offended you, you know full well you are wrong, because I haven't. You, Marek, are one person, and you're being of whatever origins you want to be, DOES NOT entitle millions of Poles to march through on the grounds that "Marek lives here". Remember, Marek, your vote, if you vote, will be one vote, you haven't been given the privilege to vote twenty million times, and the Poles in Poland CANNOT vote here in the national Elections. Furthermore, I can participate in the Elections campaign as much as I want!
AND, if there is a law coming up saying that we British have decided that we might consider tens of thousands of people immigrating among us every year, and not hundreds of thousands, then, Marek and co. I, Alexander, have my personal preferences: Irish, Australians, New-Zealanders, Canadians, French, Italians, Swiss, Austrians, Germans, Durtch, Spanish, Portughese, Greeks, Scandinavians.
I find Swiss women attractive, and very intelligent and conversational.
No, Marek, the twenty thousand or so people immigrating every year, if the law is introduced, should not be twenty thousand Poles!
Also, you will find that if you present my views as racist to a commission, they'll laugh at you! And many people will do likewise. You've given yourself airs and graces! Also, I don't have to thank any Pole for being alive! You can post that one right back in your own room, Sid!
Alexander, your rant is offensive in the extreme, and very racist. As a Christian, allegedly, you should be ashamed of yourself.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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come on chaps, all getting a bit personal.
let's just try to put our views accepting that others hold different ones.
Sitting here in Paris, all I can say is that I feel less a foreigner here than I do in London.
No sign at all in 6 days of anyone who considers that they need to cover their face.
Few languages heard apart from European ones.
Excellent metro which feels safe to use and is clean and regular.
I always considered that 'wogs start at Calais'. I did not realise it was when one was heading north.
I'm certainly warming up to the French idea of the state letting failed asylum seekers either starve on the streets without support or sod off back 'home'.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you mamby pamby liberals are all the same bob.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Bob
Glad you are enjoying a well deserved break in Paris...Take care
Sid
Thanks for your posting.
AlexanderD
Words fail me (well ones that can be published on an open forum) so I will not even bother to dignify your 'rant' with a reply.
Howard
I am surprised that the above poster is allowed to get away with his racist terminology.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Hi Bob! As you can obviously see for yourself, there are very big problems arrising when millions of people flood a Country that has reached it's highest population rate in history, as is the case of France, and some women with green hair in Brussels decide that it should become an immigration country. France, after about two million French people were forced out of northern Algeria in the fifties, then actually let millions of Algerians in too, and people from Central Africa. So the French, like the British, cannot have been racist, but the very opposite! In Britain too a few million people immigrated from ex-colonies. Then the British and French decided that immigration had reached its climax, and these new people were integrated and given respectively French or British citizenship.
Their descendants born in France or Britain received equal rights and opportunitis. I pesonally always accepted this - I was a lad in the seventies - and also accepted that when the British Gov. in the 70's said: no more! was also right.
Then, people in Western Europe and Britain desired to have strong cultural relations with each-other, on the grounds that we could go from one Country to another in Western Europe and Britain. Which was also nice. But then, characters with paper 12 star halos on their heads in Brussels started flooding Britain and Western Europe with millions of peoplel from other continents and from eastern Europe.
At the same time, their catastrophic economy policies forced many young people to work and work and work to pay for mortgages that are far too high, and to pay benefits to asylo seekers, or to give their jobs or the jobs that their children could have got, to eastern Europeans. And rot away in job-centres. It's hard for man and wife to have children like that, so we are being eaten up alive buy a "new race" and have to pay for it too. Still, I do believe and say, Bob, that the asylum seekers and Eastern Europeans who have no more chance of receiving our money as we have none left to give them, should be treated with human respect before going home, may-be given a working-course for a few weeks on preliminary farm-work or factory work, and a sum of money to see them over the first months of their return home. say, a thousand pounds or euros per person. This means that a family of twelve would receive twelve thousand pounds on depaprting, or would have it paid in gradually, monthly, once back home. Also, in their countries, that sum is worth five or ten times more! I know it would be expensive for us, but if we didn't do this, and they remained, because we cannot afford to keep paying them benefits, they would die of hunger, or they and we would die out together if we keep paying them benefits and the eastern Europeans keep marching through and grabbing our jobs AND racketeering our factories out of our Country, And keep grabbing billions of pounds/euros a year from Western European and British people under the disguise of "e.u. funds". So, rather a little compassion for these poor fellows and their wives and a financial sacrifice to see them off with respect and decency, and have it all behind us!
As you can see, Bob, I would love good relations with Western Europe, and can actually speak some French too, and should actually get back to practising it.
I also love paris!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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marek
i have not seen any racist language from the poster, i will have to reread it again.
