Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Enjoying your comfy armchair are you Tom?
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Just relaxing this thread now but comments still welcome of course... hopefully with this Police intervention the message will get out to yougsters everywhere not be destructive in historic places. A huge encouragement should always be given to the guys who do all this work maintaining these sites, its not easy..and worth reminding everyone that these do-ers are all volunteers.
Guest 730- Registered: 5 Nov 2011
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Well, I completely agree with Phil, (post 56) Vandalism is wrong and vandals should be caught and punished. Good to see the police are taking it seriously.
£500 may not seem a lot but that's about a third of what the girls raised. I'm sure they and their sponsors (including me) didn't intend the money to go towards repairing vandalised light fittings.
Tom, I can only agree with you while being appalled by any act of vandalism - by its nature that is a random act of destruction and to be discouraged. It is outrageous that the good, hard, committed work done by local people - including young people - is open to attack and defacement and of course there must be consequences for the perps as that is how people, especially children, learn. but I share that revulsion for vilification of young people, many of whom I have known at their worst who have become their best, often because they have been encouraged into the right ways as well as discouraged from the wrong.
Keith Sansum1
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BERN;
Theres a few points here,
1; Without doubt these acts of vandalism needs those carrying out this destruction
to not only be told of there wrongs but seriously pointed in the right direction
2' P.C. ways don't work for many, the only way is to judge on a youth by youth
basis as to what would be the best way forward
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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or 14 days in the stocks with porrige 3 times a day would sort the little darlings out.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Keith #65;
1; I am sure those responsible are aware that what they did was not right, but the old-saw, "The Devil makes work for idle hands." Is not a new thing.
2; Nobody can actually turn the clock back, but efforts must always be made to make a bad situation better. To do or to wish to do anything other than that is wrong-footed and ill-conceived.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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TOM;
You you suggest??????????????????
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
I suggest we stop using the term PC for anything that doesn't involve violence delivered to miscreants.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Is this umbrella organisation open or closed?
http://www.kentyouth.org/index.html
No doubt everybody has had their say...
http://issuu.com/doverdistrictcouncil/docs/culturalframework
Frankly, from what of the above I have read it is all way too high art. I shall stick my neck out and say that most of what is on offer for young people in Kent is ultra middle-class. There is much for Tarquin and Jocasta to get exited about.
I did find something called "Youth 2 Youth", which is Dover based and ready, willing and able to get the Adult messages across to the local kids:say NO! to.....
If there is any Go-Carting or Rally-Cross in the area, I have missed mention of it. The one thing that is down-and-dirty and could offer young people an opportunity to make a palpable difference to their environment is the WHPS. And yes, I get it. Some inroads have been made. BUT When you put an engine or a community together it IS the nut or washer left over that will come back to bight you.
I am sure also that there are open invitations for young people to take part in what the Adult world is doing, but is there a pathway for Adults to help with what the children want to do? Did any of the civil-engineering equipment in the harbour over the past months make it over to the 'Tombstoning' areas and help make that joy-filled, child-centred and character-building activity safer?
Let nobody take offence. It has long been easier to populate a Lynch-Mob than anything else. As the regular pleas here for help with the Heights, the Dour, the foot-paths, the beaches and the litter-strewn highways do attest.
Why ask me, a grizzly old white man far away? Has anybody asked the children?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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P.S.
I remember a story about a man who's task it was to sell soap, not the 'soft' kind this time, who hit upon the idea of giving away Chewing Gum with each purchase. Soon he discovered that people were buying the soap (or was it Baking Powder?) to get the gum. A whole new business was born and young Mr. Wrigley* never looked back.
*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrigley_Company
What has become of such business acumen? Where is the entrepreneurial spirit to be found?
Has anybody ever wondered about the long term future of Brown-Field sites? Has anybody got a clue as to what these sites could be used for in the mean-time?
From the current front page...
"Kent Police Warns...
that it will continue to take tough action against anyone found riding motorcycles in the quarry in Eythorne."
Do the land owners mentioned sit about and wait to hear about this consultations conclusions?...
http://www.kent.gov.uk/environment_and_planning/planning_in_kent/minerals_and_waste/waste
_sites_document/options_consultation/sites_for_consideration.aspx
Is there no business-mind in Kent that can put two and two together to capitalise on this public thirst for motor-cycle sport?
http://race-calendar.com/races/race-type/cross-country/Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Have you put that post above on the right thread Tom...you've lost me there. I did edit it to reshape as it went right off the page and we cant be going off the page..lol
While we are talking about wayward youth...Laura Sandys MP has sent this over to us here...quite topical and could be of interest.
"
Laura Sandys MP is calling on young people across Thanet in school year 11 to take part in this summer's National Citizen Service. The programme is running across Kent, offering an increased number of places for young people in the area.
Laura said: "I am keen that as many young people from Thanet as possible take part in this year's National Citizen Service. The programme is offering local teenagers a fortnight away from home where they take part in a packed schedule of adventure and personal development activities. This is followed by several weeks when they can develop social action and community projects to benefit their local area.
"This year, places will be available for up to 30,000 people across England and in the future, the Prime Minister wants to see every single sixteen year old have the opportunity to take part. This is such a worthwhile thing to do over the long summer holiday and provides young people with a great set of skills for their futures. I hope that lots of those in school year 11 will take up this fantastic opportunity to have real fun and enhance their CV whilst making a difference to their communities."
More information on the National Citizen Service including how to get involved can be found at:
https://nationalcitizenservice.direct.gov.uk/ howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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interesting idea, little enough to keep a 16 year old interested for 6 weeks -let's hope some of our local yoof get involved.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Tom, a friend of mine owns a wood just outside Dover. It is SSSI designated and he has recently received a grant to do work to maintain its status but also develop it as an educational facility on woodcraft, natural history, the environment etc. It has numerous public footpaths and a bridleway running through it.
There are a good number of us who volunteer to help in various tasks in this including wood clearing for making logs, charcoal making, building a gazebo from on-site materials and running some introductory days for teachers.
We can alll testify that the youngsters in and around Dover do indeed have a great passion for motor-cycle sport, particularly of the off-road variety.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Darling PaulB.
Dear Editor,
Forgive me, do. I thought putting 'P.S.' at the top would be clue enough.
The 'shape' looked fine from here, but thank you.
LS is again 'keen' and I, again, welcome this. (A little too keen with the commas.)
This year-30,000 places available and the PM wants all those eligible to take part. This scheme is to be on-going, but each year there will be a brand new tranche. So there are probably fewer than 30,000 children eligible, I guess.
I read that there may well be some money changing hands, either outright costs or refundable deposits.
What unalloyed joy there must be for a parent on a limited budget, sitting down with their keen offspring filling-out the application form. Waiting upon tenter-hooks to hear back from their local providers as to availability, suitability and cost. The offspring forward-planning with their little buddies, keen to hear of progress. All those little Abduls and Annies. I do hope none are disappointed. It simply would not do to have post Year-11 children beginning life on the Dole with the germ of resentment sprouting in their breast.
I am sure the schools will have thought all of this through and are, each and all, prepared to alley fears and/or to forewarn the cash-strapped parents from applying.
Thank you Ray, #74.
Opportunity knocks.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Ah now Darlin Tom
I saw the ps but couldnt see the immediate relevence of Wrigleys Chewing Gum via Wikipedia to the local vandalism. Laura Sandys, and indeed HMG itself have an idea there, so it shouldnt be dismissed out of hand...who cares about the commas jeez!..not if we get the message out to a few kids out there.
The Kent Minerals link went very wide..best to break in half as I have done there as the page distorts.
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Good to see that this programme is running across Kent giving 16yr olds the opportunity to get involved. Some kids never get a chance to do anything like this.
I remember covering events in our early working days, such as trial bike riding and motocross, where the kids would passionately ride about all day getting muddier and muddier, really enjoying themselves and with little time left to ever be tempted to get up to no good.
We need more of these opportunities for kids right across the UK.
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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In contrast to what I was saying above on legal trial bike riding, I note on our front page today that the Police have warned three people about using the quarry in Eythorne for same. Looks like a Father and Son (45yrs and 15yrs) from Ramsgate were using it. Is there any legal places around the east Kent area for this kind of activity? What is a Pitt bike? I guess you ride it in pits and its got four wheels
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Readers might like to be aware that yesterday afternoon about 20 young teenagers broke into the Detached Bastion and started a fire. The police and fire brigade had to be called out. All denied responsibility.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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such a shame its going that way,defitnly needs some one or some thing up there 24/7.
