Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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#41
Hope you are right Barry and it's not just a 'spike'. If this is the case than bank lending to small business will not be necessary and growth will be irrelevant and at last the real economy will not be the 'black' one.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#42
That's an interesting comment, Richard.
How does one define the black economy? Could you give us some definitions?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#43
Small businesses lead the way down and lead the way up. But government figures do not capture this as they only look at medium to large businesses.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1
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#44
well barry says it's all going to be alright so we should all believe him, shouldn't we?????
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#45
Keith! You have been told how the economy works...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#46
i thought the black economy was people working "cash in hand" and extremely naughty tradespersons that did not give receipts to customers in return for a lower payment than would otherwise be.
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#47
# 38...Gallop and other `expert` pollsters may regard this a very small geographic
straw-poll and a hearsay approach to determine the nations economic growth prospects.
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#48
Would definitely call it cherry-picking an opinion. It certainly doesn't correspond to what we hear and read on the news.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#49
we have serious problems theres no doubt there
no matter how you dress it up
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#50
Although I seldom contribute to economic or political threads such as this one, I still read them as I really enjoy the glorious fatuity of some of (not all, by any means) the lefty posters' comments. Please keep it up.
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#51
Hearing voices and soothsaying obviously can't be an alternative to reality, for which reason, Peter, we must keep to analysing economy in its real terms.
We can't cherry-pick opinions, change the GDP figures when they are down the drain to make them look like "flying in the clouds" and conveniently place all the blame of the world on the shoulders of Gordon Brown.
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#52
'Real terms', Alex, is an elusive concept which bears little, if any, relation to the 'truth' as spouted by the popular media. It is also foreign to the notion that the nation's economic woes can be cured by more public spending and raising income tax rates.
As for Broon, he was not clever enough to have plunged the country into penury all on his own. Ed Balls must share much of the blame for egging him on, and Blair for letting them have their head. It's clear to me what has to be done to stop the rot - broadly as proposed by Barry, modified somewhat by Ross's more centrist views. It's also clear what is stopping it happening - a lamentably weak Tory PM who is in thrall to snake-oil salesmen Clegg and Cable and is unable to control any parliamentary faction bar that consisting of his own fan club.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#53
Peter;
you give there an over view, and we are where we are, I could, like you post on about maggie and all the damage she did while she was P.M. but although never forgotten, it's in the past, it's about what happens next.
Where I share your view is that we now have a very weak prime minister,
giving far to much time to clegg and co who are a finished party just waiting for the axe to come down on them.
I also agree with you peter that factions within the mouse's own party are either waiting to get even, or waiting to replace the mouse.
like you though peter with your amusement at watching lefties post(still don't know what that definiition is these days) i like to hear the right wing loonies posting on here to
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#54
Peter, I don't recall ever having suggested that income tax rates should be increased.
And even the idea of increasing public spending doesn't fit in my policies either.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#55
alexander policies?
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#56
I work for Prosperity, Keith, not for collapse of the economy.
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#57
#54, Alex, my previous post was not about you particularly. But you have regularly advocated confiscating the personal wealth of the richest. That would certainly imply an increase in income tax rates.
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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#58
Peter, I read it differently (though hard to tell with Alex!), he wants to take the capital from the 'rich' as well as tax their income.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#59
how about going 50/50 here and tax their capital and take away their income?
seems to be an equitable solution.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#60
Suggest a donations bucket - Alexander can go rattling it through Kensington !!
Been nice knowing you :)