howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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we have been through this before barry, the organisations representing small businesses see red tape as trivial compared to rents and business rate. if the government was serious about helping small businesses that would come up with something like a business rate holiday for new start ups.
on the subject of red tape i understand that needless health and safety inspections of shops is being curtailed.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Howard is right about red tape: it doesn't seem to be a problem here in Britain for businesses.
It looks more like a red-herring on Barry's part.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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The taxes that do most economic damage are those on income, either corporate or individual.
I agree somewhat Barry but the corporate avoidance is out of step with the taxes burdening the individual.
The cutting of red tape over inspections, is welcome news on the TV to night
More of the same Mr. Cameron
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard and Alexander - those who dismiss red tape are those who do not run businesses. I do so and I network with and advise many small businesses and I can assure you that red tape and taxes are the biggest complaint they make. That is not to say that for many businesses rent and rates are not a problem of course but dismissing red tape as you do is a big mistake.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry, i would imagine that the federation of small businesses is run by those with small businesses.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - I remember that report and, as I said, rent and rates are part of the problem. For retail businesses this would be a bigger issue perhaps than red tape, but look at the overall business sector red tape comes to the fore. In my experience from when I used to be a member, the FSB has a predominance of small retail businesses.
Keith Sansum1
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Before we go running with glee at the red tape removal maybe we should have the facts on exactly what is being removed.
it appears one part is the removal of health and safety inspections, maybe some see that as a good thing? i don't
what else will cut corners to help business's profit?/
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith - in respect of the H&S changes businesses are classed and high and low risk. Low risk businesses are being exempt from inspections, not the rules and will only be inspected in the event of a complaint, incident or a history of problems. It is a proportional and sensible response.
There are many other aspects of red tape that needs to be dealt with such as some aspects of planning (action being taken) and many aspects of employment legislation needs to be dropped for small businesses in particular. There is of course more and we are being promised some sweeping changes but what we want is action.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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" It is a proportional and sensible response."
Yes, all will be well. As long as we stick to the guiding principles:Buy cheap (employ double-cheap) and sell dear.
There is no better way, it seems, than to export jobs and kick H&S regulation firmly into touch...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/10434611Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Gosh, I'm so pleased that the economy is faring so well.
Anyone thought of telling the landlady of The White Horse, the owners of Delmaines and the myriad of other businesses who've closed their Dover doors recently?
Would somebody buy Barry a pair of sunglasses that don't have rose tinted lenses, please?
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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So Andy - which of the indicators I refer to is incorrect?
I see today that exports outside the EU are at record levels and even to non-Eurozone countries they are up.
Businesses open and close all the time and we can all find examples. Indeed I gave the figures for new start-ups and insolvencies in my post.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, I think the whole crux of the problem is what you refer to as "the real economy".
Every person is participant in the economy, and every family or individual household runs an economy, so it is macro and micro economy.
And this regardless whether a person works in the public sector, or in the private sector, or is in retirement, or is unemployed. We are all part of the economy.
When you start off with "the real economy", you have already excluded most people from consideration.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alexander.
This is a distinction drawn between the flawed basis of calculating GDP figures and what is really happening.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Barryw;
yep vince baby has announced today small business's will have the right to fire staff, although small business's should be helped in todays climate, to look how people can be sacked is many not the best foot forward to resolve some of the problems
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Of course it is a big step forward Keith. Small firms have the greatest potential to grow and boost the economy they are also among the most vulnerable businesses. By making it easier and less costly to sack people you are de-risking employing people and remove or at least reduce one of the barriers and concerns of anyone thinking of putting his house up to invest in their own firm. This is positive for growth. I have not had a chance yet to look in detail at the proposals and cannot say whether they go far enough but at the very least its a step forward.
Ross Miller
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As someone who runs his own company I have to agree with Barry that the amount of form filling required, particularly for HMRC, is a royal pain in the butt and is one of the things hindering many people from starting or growing their businesses. I also agree with the FSB that business rates and rent are destroying the High Street and/or turning it into the domain of only the national chains.
It is extremely sad when any business is forced to shut its doors, but we need to examine each case to assess the reasons why rather than making generalisations that it is "the economy", yes in some cases it is indeed the general economic situation, but in many cases the reasons can be traced to such things as changing buying patterns/methods, failings on the part of the owner (poor marketing, mismanagement etc )
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I have just returned from my usual weekly networking event attended by 45 to 50 small businesses. Many of these are clients and I need to be careful what I say but some information that was imparted to me today that I can reveal about 'the real economy'.
One East Kent small business has been on a recruiting drive taking on 4 new full time staff and promoting one other this very week. He is now looking for a trainee. This business is working in the depressed property market.
A business in the construction industry providing quality and expensive products in the retail market is having his busiest ever year.
A wholesaler into construction was telling me that he too is having his best year in business. I am particularly pleased for him because he has had some very bad times in the past.
Then there is me, I too am on track for my best ever business year at the half-way point.
So you see, it is not all doom and gloom but we must not forget that despite lots of success it remains a difficult economy. I have also heard tales of how quiet things are, about how worried some people are.
So it is fragile but they do all say the same, even the business who is recruiting, they are worried it will all come to a grinding halt and are worried about expanding. Confidence needs to be imparted and decisive supply side action will help this.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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lets hope barryw your even partly right
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Of course I am, it is what businesses have been telling me today.
