26 November 2010
12:5181744I said at the beginning that you guys make up things to suit your own views - makes dealing with you impossible but thanks for the opportunity to post If you could only stay with facts not speculation we might get on better.
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david says its against alliance rules to stand for other councils under the alliance banner?
getting the answer to this is like pulling teeth
david h says its not in the alliance rules
Oh yeh! Well read what was said - you have not repeated what was said so stop making up stories - maybe ignorance is correct!!!
What I have said is:-
post 1 "I wish to make it clear that the Alliance is only interested in DTC - so if anyone wants to stand for any other council they will have to find other help."
Post 4 "The Alliance does not therefore give any backing to anyone standing outside the Town Council - SIMPLE! It has no remit outside DTC."
The law says you cannot belong to more than one political party - I have never said the rule of the alliance says that Howard as it has no rule on the subject. Nothing stops an Alliance member standing anywhere . But anyway whats that got to do with the matter. We are talking DTC here not elsewhere - set up another heading if you want to make up things about people.
BTW I did discuss this election with the Tories AND Labour suggesting that if they didn't stand in Castle then it would save the ratepayers the thousands it will cost DTC. Only the Tories seem to have respected that and I don't know what their reasoning was -so when the votes are cast see who is wasting taxpayers money - I shall not comment further on this as I am sure you will make up your own speculations yet again. And Vic , DTC Castle ward was never Tory except when Roger Frayne went in unopposed by us - it was Donald Shrubb and I for 4 years before that then previously Labour because no one would stand against them - yet more errors posted as facts!!!
I would also point out as Vic has chosen to use my name that the only time he has ever been elected by vote was when the Alliance did it for him = perhaps you might reflect on this and give respect and credit. He chose to walk away from that and his record of votes thereafter is public record - correct me if I am wrong. Where UKIP sits in respect of Town Council Policy I am sure I don't know!! His comments about working with everyone are correct but some of his inference is pure Vic, not fact.
In the above postings as usual there are more speculation and made up statements which have no bearing on fact - it does make this forum very flawed as someone reading it might actually believe it all rather than the truth. I am replying to some points above there are others that are also garbage that I wont even bother with.
I wont bother any more as I have a Santa suit to dust off!!!
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26 November 2010
14:3181747I have already put that after I left the Alliance I have never won a seat ,but that did not stop me trying. And again when I was on the DTC I did work with most cllrs Red or the Alliance and was voted in as the events chairman.You will see where UKIP and myself fit in repect of the Town council if I get in,,I will just carry on with what i was trying to do last time,UKIP are just helping me out,they have not at anytime told me to follow a party line,nor would I,WHAT YOU SEE is what you get,Why did I gave up the Alliance when I did?it was only because I like to do things myway.Again vote for the person ,if you think I am right then Vote for me if not Vote for one of the others.
26 November 2010
17:4781770Thank you Vic
I accept that.
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26 November 2010
18:1481777Keith Sansum1
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26 November 2010
18:3481781so that means then david that candidates using your party name in District council elections did not have the alliance party support???
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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26 November 2010
19:2881793that was a question i would have asked keith.
a bit of transparency is required here.
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26 November 2010
21:4181812well howard as you can see i have asked the qestion over and over still not getting the answer.
if you look at davids original post hes clear there is no backing for asliance outside of the town council, have no prob with that
but as you have discovred my question remains unanswered
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26 November 2010
22:4181818No one answered my post number 27 either.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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26 November 2010
22:5481827a gane of semantics is being played here, david seems to be talking from on high but no direct rebuttal seems to come.
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26 November 2010
22:5881830reasonable question do yo not think howard?
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27 November 2010
10:5781876Keith and others you have had your answer so dont appear so dim - its no - how many times do you want it repeated - I know you are just stirring for the sake of it!
You sre making no point at all. We are talking about DTC. and certain candidates put up by the labour party using the name weren't supported either.
When my book comes out next year all will be clearer for you.
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27 November 2010
11:1281879nice you try to sell your book on here
but im afraid i wont be buying it so unless you give me info wont be any the wiser.
now to get bac to the point made.
the question was do you/do you not support alliance candidates standing at District council elections, your reply is quite clearly no
so does that mean the candidate who stood in aycliffe using your party name
at the district election was not actually anb alliance candidate?
i have always been confused over how independent the alliance party locally is realy from political parties, and this latest info i can only presume will confuse even further.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 November 2010
11:5781886david
you state clearly in post 41 that the alliance has no remit outside the town council.
a dover alliance candidate stood in town and pier ward for the district council in 2007.
to use your term "simple".
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27 November 2010
12:0181888thankyou howard
simple question
would have been happy for david h to have said, he cocked up on that one
all would have moved on
the candidate could also have cleared it up(or is he being whipped into saying nowt???)
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27 November 2010
16:2681904My statements stand - I obviously cant get through some heads. - no cock up keith.
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27 November 2010
20:5181963howard
the question then remains
we have no idea if the disrict council candidate was or was not put forward by the alliance party.
im hearing a second rumour(having not got a reply the question above)i pose another question
is it correct david h that you are to stand as a tory next may? in district elections
its not a problem
but im sure people are interested.
so there we go howard lets see if these 2 questions ever get answered
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 November 2010
21:0281969i very much doubt that, david prefers to call anyone that disagrees with his posts dim, thick, ignorant, illiterate or worse.
with the sheer volume of people that read this forum, maybe he will realise why his party never get control of the town council.
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27 November 2010
21:2681973quite a shame realy, as i said a quick reply of
yes the alliance did support this candidate on the district would have done
instead we have got a post that says the alliance is only interested in the town council and doesnt support candidates that say there from the alliance party in elections to other councils.
then a candidate is put forward for district by the alliance party sending mixed signals
now we have the second rumour of our davidh standing for the tories in may, no great problem but does call into question the ability to be independent.
i dont expect either question to be answrered
and shame as howard says the insults that flew from davidh sad
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27 November 2010
21:5881986Second Indie to become a Tory?
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 November 2010
22:4782001maybe some of our local politicos should be more honest in future, people see through the bull whats it.
spin eventually does for the person that uses it.
