23 November 2010
09:2681261#1
I posted the following in answer to Bobs question on another thread then noticed that it was under the subject of DDC. I wish to make it clear that the Alliance is only interested in DTC - so if anyone wants to stand for any other council they will have to find other help.
You can see all about the Alliance from our web site "www.doveralliance.org.uk"
Basically we are a Dover group that believe that Town councillors should vote for themselves not under a Party whip. We also believe that National politics has no place in the Town Council but recognise that unless there is group support it is difficult for any individual to stand thus would happily invite anyone to join us for the next election in May who cares about Dover first.
I would be pleased to discuss it with you at any time. Our candidate Georgette also lives in the ward that she is standing for and has been heavily involved in Dover about which she is devoted.
" I will not get involved in party banter here, as before, others put their own interpretation on comments and then claim that they do not understand our very simple philosophy. Politics has done more damage to Dover than anything else. It can also be said that all the current Alliance councillors live or work in the areas they represent.
I am a Dovorian who has dedicated himself to acting rather than whingeing - may not always right but try to do my best - I am an Alliance member and am always available.. The website says it all. We have stood in all Town elections since 2003 at which time we had 49% of the cast votes gaining only 6 seats but have had a significant effect on the DTC. The castle Ward in which we are standing now was Alliance in 2003 until we let the Conservatives in unopposed in the subsequent election.
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Keith Sansum1
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23 November 2010
16:3581314#2
did reply on another thread
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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23 November 2010
17:0081320#3
HI There dave
Hopefully you can answer some questions
1; whats your view on your alliance party members standing for the tories in
DDC elections? does that not take away the unbiased political bit you try to
portray.
2; One of your members stood for the alliance party in county council elections
you indicate your only interest is the town council, presumed this person
as he stood for your party had your backing?
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23 November 2010
18:3981328#4
Keith
I dont know if you are unable to read but look at the web page and see the words I have written and then stop sniping!
1 Alliance members are not the hide bound politicians that your party has. They can do what they like outside the remit of DTC and the need to be independent of thought - no whip - never has been - even Vic confirmed this. Unbiased in town if they are Alliance - I know the bias the Labour party has if you want examples you can have a fistful. When Jenny decided to stand for Tories she quite rightly lost her Alliance backing. thats the law.
2 The Alliance does not therefore give any backing to anyone standing outside the Town Council - SIMPLE! It has no remit outside DTC.
I am sorry that you appear to not wish to underestand and your coments do you no credit in being repeated incessantly. The Alliance is what it says and it is not necessary for you to belittle people that you haven't even had the grace to talk to about it. Exactly what I said earlier - please dont drag us down to your way of doing business.
Brian Dixon
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23 November 2010
18:4481329#5
davidh,it sounds like nit picking to me.i wouldnt let it worry you.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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23 November 2010
18:5481330#6
as you know davif but choose to not get your head round
there is no whip on labour in town council
david lloyd also stood in kcc edlections and still part of alliance
all i'm trying to establish is, your main theme is your independence from party politics but if your party cllrs get involved with political parties(and of course its there right)
it does bring into question your view on not being party political.
its fine whatever they choose, but important if your voting to know members do lean towards political parties and not so impartial of party politics.
I'm not a member of the labour party, and although there probably the only party i would vote for, there are candidates even within that party i wont be voting for given the opportunity
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 November 2010
18:5681331#7
seems to be the most popular term of the day brian.
not seen it on here for a while, for those newer members the phrase was invented by the vice chairperson of the district council, her majesty cllr susan nicholas when it was agreed that the council were not up to scratch.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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23 November 2010
20:1281341#8
howard,many thaks for ratifying that for us.
23 November 2010
22:5281377#9
Keith
perhaps you should get your facts right - there is definitely a whip at DTC labour party thats why the problems with members of the Labour party being reported come from and why on more than one occasion the whip has been admittedly withdrawn so they can sometimes vote freely - but how much one wonders. It is more than public knowledge.
But then again you say you are not involved in the politics so perhaps they dont tell you. I am told by your own members so maybe you dont know so much.
Its that precise act that we consider is immoral and unjust. Attend a few more meetings and see how on one particular issue we had votes one way one meeting when the leader wasnt present and then the other way when he was . stop kidding the world! You are the one asking the questions - perhaps you better check your orders before you go too far with this?
Its politics that has damaged and still is damaging our Town and the sooner the people who care about Dover before their Party get elected the better.
On your other points I have already given you the answer but you maybe still dont understand - I shallnt repeat myself
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23 November 2010
22:5581379#10
Well I do not have any party lines to follow ,and I would not follow them if I had,I know Dover like the back of my hands and also I know what needs to be done.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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24 November 2010
14:2181437#11
David
you are incorrect, there is no whip nor has there ever been but thats fine.
you didnt answer the qestion on david lloyd who stood as an alliance candidate for kcc.
I don't have to defend the labour party nor wood I, from your replies I will take it as much the same then the allliance to remain blinkrered and in opposition for some time to come.
David lloyd as a fellow whites supporter is the one that stiil goes against the grain that you are stating yo dont give authority to, yet at that election you did.
David please dont keep putting down labour members on the town council many also work hard for Dover
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24 November 2010
14:2681439#12
Keth you are right,and I lookward to working with them again after the 16Dec
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24 November 2010
15:2681448#13
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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24 November 2010
15:3481451#14
jan its called nit picking.kids aye,should make them stand in the corner with one of those pointy hats.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 November 2010
16:5881460#15
i can only think that mr lloyd stood independently of the alliance and not as an independent alliance candidate.
the only other possibility i can think of is that he stood as an independent(with a hint of alliance), all seems clear to me now.
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24 November 2010
17:2481462#16
Just goes to show that Alliance members have their own ideas, are 'independent' in fact. Unlike the supposedly non-whipped Labour whose members have been known to turn up at meetings with pre-pepared lists of how the voting will go down to who will chair what and who will be mayor. Oops.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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24 November 2010
17:4781463#17
chris/david
please dont insult me tring to give the impression you dont meet.
howard
david lloyd stood as an alliance candidate no confusion.(unless he tried to hoodwink the electorate and wasnt an alliance candidate)but thats not the case.
chris/david
i see no problem in the labour town cllrs deciding who it is the would like to see as chair etc the are the majority
And across the country labour lib dem tory indy alliance all meet as groups individually so its not just dover.
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Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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24 November 2010
17:4781464#18
Never saw that Chris,I wouldn't be a part of that and I was a Town Cllr when you started and never seen it on district,either I am missing out or that is made up.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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24 November 2010
18:4381474#19
Sorry John, I have seen it but to be fair, after you had resigned from Town Council. I wish it were 'made-up' but it is not.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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24 November 2010
18:5881478#20
Keef
Let me assure you that David Lloyd did not stand for the Dover West KCC seat as a member of the Alliance. If you have any questions about Davids campaign you could always talk to the person that acted as his agent.
Million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.