Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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We also have all the one bedroom flats ,Investment at the Castle was done by E/H the group you have just been running down. The £20 Million For the Hospital is still there. High speed train now goes to Deal or will do. White Cliffs Business Pk is not the Town of Dover.And what new Roads have we seen around Whitfield,I am on the council up there I have not seen any,or are you talking about the bypass,anyway a gain not Dover. The new Ferries They are P&Os cannot see where they fit into the town of Dover,But what I have seen is the many of plans about the Town and the Regeneration of the bigger parts of the town,and I have been seeing them over the pass 30 odd years and nothing done yet,both Red and Blue councils have let Dover down not just the one we have now,But I still put most of it all at the planning dept feet.Deal is very nice and I do not see all the one bed room flats there like Dover, Sandwich,is great just as it is.You go on about Plans for D.T.I.Z. and that is all they are plans. Samphire Hole Is very nice And I love to go there but that again is not the Town centre nor did the council put it there. Sorry mate can not go along with what you are trying to put over .I did say to myself I would not go back to taking about this we go over the same old ground year in and year out. So that is the last time I am going over it.
No Town would have the amount of HGV's running through it like Dover has
Jubilee Way.....John Gerrard instigated this to relieve the town of HGV's...but the roads beyond had to be developed etc....this is the feeder from the Eastern Docks...put it into practice.....No HGV's across the town
The M20 is situated the side of the Western Docks....
the feeder is there..................once that infernal noise, pollution etc etc has gone, you can start looking at development...no town should be expected to absorb this..
It is a collosal mistake, that can be rectified...not impossible...like the return of York Street and Snargate Street....
Until this happens.....there will be no hope for Dover....
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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You started it Vic !!
"With the D.D.C. it is more about the district then the Town"
What has the rest of the district had from DDC that Dover hadn't had ??
Been nice knowing you :)
Jan Higgins
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I think care of what was already there just about sums it up while Dover was ignored and left to go tatty.
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Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Paul, could I just point out that there was a very vigorous campaign against the routing of the A20 (I have copies of the mounds of paperwork etc.) and I am sure someone will mention Deal pier.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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But
Paul is absolutely right THE PAST IS PAST
lets draw a line under it and look forward and move on
lets grasp the moment,
the opportunities that now present themselves will not last if we do not grab them now
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Paul is absolutely right THE PAST IS PAST
lets draw a line under it and look forward and move on
I cannot run with this philosophy, because it is like wiping your childhood/youth from what has made you an adult...........
For myself the start would be to look at a big mistakes of the PAST...to be able to make a sustainable future......
re.............re-route the A20............to give the Town a chance to breath and re-cover................there is no financial remuneration for the town in this A20 passing through it......Just pollution, noise and sorrow............
....... it is helping the Port disgorge its loads....when Jubilee Way was built to do such a thing.......................
The vacuous argument of Dover has this, or that, or the other...is dead on the table.....Deal, Sandwich etc......are not having to deal with a Port which uses and abuses Dover....but maintains it is not a part of it...................
Yes, Dover is unique.....it has a beautiful geographical position....and here is the argument as to what to do....One half built the most amazing Castle in Northern Europe...the other a Prison holding 350 inbetween people with the best view in the UK...............and an amazing town, given the chance from people trying to bury it in the name of progress.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Thanks Ross
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Big questions is...... so if people have such problems with the way 'they' whoever they are (DDC, Highways Agency, KCC, DHB, Goverment) what are people doing about it?
Where's the campaign with the whole of Dover signing up to it to get the A20 moved, where are the letters from all the big names saying they want to moved into DTIZ and DDC are ignoring them ??
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Paul and Ross are both right - we must not harp on about opportunities lost, but make sure no more chances are missed.
There are many parts of our heritage that must not be lost, but invested in and protected.
Dover District Council does not have the money or the power to make the differences that people seem to be clamouring for.
There is much being discussed and worked on, that given the chance, will come to fruition, but you must not keep blaming DDC for all of Dover's ills - some of them perhaps, but that was years ago.
Much of what Dover needs now, is management of the Town as it is now; ideas and projects that will make the Town cleaner, smarter and more welcoming and taking more advantage of the cruise business, also, as I've said before, being made into a real destination - it's easily good enough.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
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roger
im willing to accept to a degree not everything can be blamed on D.D.C.
But unlike Roger i will steer away from making political points on whos party fault it may not have been in years gone by.
Officer led D.D.C. PLANNING Dept has in the past and right up to today that it is unable to create a healthy town, and rather than look on projects in a positive way, instead often find reason's why things can't happen.
I have in past threads highlighted just a few of the issues where the planning dept stopped progress, so until this mindset is changed then it always remain part of the problem.
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Has the planning department EVER been given a brief on how the town should develop since the war or has it always been a little bit here and there with no theme, if that is the right word.
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Which few understand, hence the planners can use its provisions to frustrate the politicians' vision. A triumph of process over progress.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Dover planning Dept
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i got that by e mail as i am on their list.
the kindest thing i can say about it is that in was in a language vaguely similar to english, clearly designed to pull the wool over the eyes over a councillor or similar layperson.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I think this is just going to go round and round in circles until Vic says he has nothing to say on the matter then posts again !!
I am not sure why do people still insist Dover is unique - EVERY council has a similar document - EVERY council has planners (thats what train to do) - EVERY council has delegated duties down the the planning department to some extent.....
The biggest problem with any plan is that the world changes - who 5 years ago would have though that there would be a docks sell off, who'd have though that Pfizer would pull out, who'd have thought there would be a 'recession', etc, etc, etc. The future can't be predicted......
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I do not have anymore to say about it,Dover planning dept,
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Been nice knowing you :)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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why is it that local authority officers are allowed to present their customers with indecipherable jargon?
no private business would last 5 minutes if they tried that on.
they seem to sometimes forget who pays their wages.
