Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Talks are on going with the bus company
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Sue your post tells us nothing. Who is talking and what are they talking about an increase in fares
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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According to the plans none of the pre-war buildings anywhere on or around the site will go.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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i don't know where that rumour came from in the first place.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
See post 116 Concern over shops not on a bus route .No mention of bus fares
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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No sense of humour either.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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firstly
its my view we dont need a KCC and devolve these powers down to DDC and DTC.
On the general point of the planning dept i made it clear on two such planning applicants in other posts and how backward looking DDC planning dept is
i understand if still the same 80% of planning applications go directly through under delegated powers of officers
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Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Back to the subject of this thread, would anyone care to review the plans for the DTIZ in comparison with the stated considerations on page 53 of this last Dover Masterplan?
http://www.doverpride.org.uk/PDF/masterplan.pdfPolitics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Your point is Chris?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Sue, he is either rubbishing the new plans, or the Dover Pride document, or both, but I am not sure which?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i cannot take anything from dover pride seriously, they never really got any results for the town.
glossy proposals are fine but did they have developers prepared to take on the work?
Many people I speak to...say the powers that be detest Dover....they do not live in it, nor care for it.....
The destruction of York Street, Snargate Street, Townwall Street, have been a huge betrayal of the townspeoples hope that Dover would be regenerated after the War....even in the l960's because these areas were the Town Centre of Dover a vibrant shopping centre and homes were promised
Everything was flattened for the Port and Lorries, and somewhere along the way, pockets were fully lined.....IMO
Many would like to clear the top of Dover District Council out....the secretive MI5/autocratic attitudes etc....
Somewhere it would have been wonderful for a Champion like Roger de Haan to have made money here and ploughed it back into the town...
These new proposals are doomed, and pretty awful.... until the Town is fully joined to the Port/Harbour and Seafront.....the Port traffic should leave the Town either side of it....the structures are there...and it could happen......
The plus side now, is that there is the Inter-net and technology to at least keep tabs on these glossy proposals, and to at least try to call someone into account.
It is a terrible situation.......
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Yes I go along with what Mr Norman is saying,
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I tend to agree Charlie, can you imagine Deal and Walmer having streams of HGVs going from one end of the town to the other.
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I cannot understand why everyone thinks that Dover is a 'special case'. EVERY council has to deal with commercially sensitive information and has to keep things "secret". Many towns suffered in the 1960s when bad decisions are made. Businesses invest where they want to and there is not a lot that can be done to change their minds.
I just think it is a bit late now moaning about things. It was in the 1950s when they allowed the car ferries to expand in the Eastern Docks. Why didn't people campaign to stop the A20 cutting through the town in the early 1990s? Why didn't people campaign to stop English Heritage taking over the Castle and keep it as part of the town?
Bad decisions were made in the past, why can't people look to the future rather than moan about things that cannot be changed ????
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Take the Western Heights.
MOD let it all get trashed whilst in their hands. Dover Corporation wanted it filled in and used for waste disposal. To be truthful it was not considered 'Heritage' as was the slums of a lot of the areas talked of before. English Heritage aren't taking responsibilty for they own. Vandals are still trying to undo our efforts. Developers want(ed) to cram it full of houses.
Do we go on about it all the time? No, we explain the past and learn lessons from it and go forward from what we do have. We can't undo what has happened and we try to make the most of what opportunities there are now. If people don't like what we are doing and they can do better, they can try do it. Shouting from the sidelines and not actually doing anything productive isn't helpful to anyone or the cause !!
Been nice knowing you :)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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people complain because they care for the most part, not just dover but many parts of east kent are left behind because it is seen as part of the affluent sout east.
if dover was situated north of birmingham money would have been thrown in by the government many years ago.
the present state of neglect in the town centre itself, despite it's good occupancy rate, has little to do with events like the castle going over to english heritage or the traffic to the port.
much more to do with slum landlords allowed to do what they like with no compunction to do their duty.
jan makes the point that the average townsperson make on a daily basis, the additions being sandwich and st margarets.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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There was nothing of commercial sensitivity in the plans released recently. All that information is still (rightly) under wraps but there is was no reason why the plans shown last week could not have been shown much earlier. It's a case of expectation management by council officials.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The move for English Heritage was agood one ,at that time the castle need alot of funding to keep it looking like it does E/H were and still are the only ones with that kind of money and they do a very good job of looking after our castle.
There were people at that time saying all TR lorrys should come into the docks via the A2 As you righty say many seaside towns did suffer in the late 1970s but they are moving forward even that in places that is slow,but Dover is at a stand still I born in Dover in 1942 and still here. I have seen it all in Dover,good and bad but the bad times is going on longer than the good times did. With the D.D.C. it is more about the district then the Town.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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"With the D.D.C. it is more about the district then the Town"
Think that is actually rubbish !!
So what major developments has the rest of the District had that had left Dover out? Dover has had the high speed trains arrive, White Cliffs Business Park, the new roads around Whitfield, lots of businesses around Old Park Barracks, plans for DTIZ, the Discovery Centre that had turned out well, major events like Bleriot and Olympic Torch, major investments for the Castle and Seafront, brand new world class ferries, work starting on the Paper Mill, plans for the Eurotunnel Village, Samphire Hoe nature reserve. Lots of money for a hospital that the do-gooders have put an end to.
What had Deal and Sandwich had in the past 10 years other than some roads around Pfizer????
Vic - do you actually know what the middle DDC if for? It isn't all Dover !!
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