Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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You only have to go out to Canterbury car boot on a Sunday morning to see
Things are changing, population wise
All towns will have different Religions and people coming,
The vacuum in Dover over house prices, and mass building will bring about change.
Some may be good some maybe bad .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
if the owner/s of a building want to change the use and put in a planning application with all the right boxes ticked, then any council has to agree to it by law.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I can still consider this wrong, though, Howard.
If I have a principle of not converting churches, I'm allowed to express this by way of freedom of speech.
I can still say its wrong for a council planning office to sign a sheet of paper sanctioning a church "conversion".
The point I'm making is that Keith cannot "convert" my belief.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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Alexander, maybe YOU should buy up all the old churches and start your own mission.
Keith Sansum1
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The point Alexander is again as you keep missing
YOUR OWN CHRISTIANS closed the church
the council AS howard says deals with applications AFTER the Christians have sold it
So your beef should be with your CHRISTIAN CHURCH LEADERS not the council
point made (again)
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Brian Dixon
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kieth,3 words.......head,bang wall.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Lesley, my Church is the Light-Tower Church at the Castle.
It's where I habitually go and have free entry having paid my dues to English Heritage.
It entitles me to participate in our Heritage.
I have also been to St. Martin's Church in Canterbury, which is where the English Church was founded by our Kentish King Ethelbert.
The English Church came about through a marriage between man and woman, as Queen Bertha the Consort of Ethelbert was Christian and converted her husband to the One Faith.
Our Light-Tower Church overlooks Dover and the Sea.
The British High Command in WWII took refuge next to this Church. The Germans never bombed nor shelled the Castle owing to the Church, as the Fair Lady has connections In High.
It's the Church on a Hill within its own walls, overlooking the oldest settlement and port in the British Isles.
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With no planning permission to convert them, the empty churches become derelict and home to dossers and squatters before falling down into roofless ruins; in the meantime bankrupting the church organisations which own them and preventing the money which might have been realised from their sale and conversion from being utilised in more fertile fields of mission. It is part of our job as Christians to represent our Master well and not to bring His name into disrepute. I can think of very few ways in which to bring His name into disrepute better than by leaving a trail of roofless ruins across this land.
What an attractive idea to have our towns, cities and villages full of roofless ruins because, as Revelation clearly predicts, of the great apostasy (falling away) of the people of this world from Christianity.
State sponsored Christian education merely innoculates people against the true Word of God and, as has been shown by the current state of affairs, closes people's ears and hearts to the only message that will lead to eternal salvation. The greatest apostasy is evident in the generation that had Christianity as the ONLY religion taught to them at school.
I too believe that the followers of Christ, whom He recognises, will be the only ones standing at the end of this age, but I'd rather not see our villages, towns and cities full of church ruins in the meantime.
On an early Church historical point, as Alexander raises the subject, many early church accounts put Simon the Zealot (Disciple and Apostle) in England not very long after the successful Roman invasion of the country (just 14 or 15 years after the Resurrection) and there is historical and archaelogical evidence of early Christian Churches (2nd Century) at several sites in the North and West of England.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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Religion is a personal choice, each to their own. Sadly intolerance does semm to go hand in hand with religion despite clear instructions in all faiths. Will never understand the need to belittle someones beliefs, if it gives comfort then it's good.The arrogance to dismiss a "god" and claim your own "god" as superiour does not sit well with me.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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well said Lesley.i totally agree.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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some good points from neil about indoctrination at schools, none where i went to thankfully - we just had a subject called religious knowledge which was not biased towards any religion.
i was sent to sunday school which turned me off the church for life.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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There we go then
having gone all round the houses(or church in this case lol)
we come back to the point that if THE CHURCH COUNCIL decides to close the church like in this case
and sell it
That is the CHURCH's leaders right
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Different people may have different views on the Christian Faith, mine is that the Church does not have a mission to close down the Church, but to preach the Word of Christ and to uphold the Church.
That said, we should also take into account that there are different Church denominations, or organisations.
Some people seem to have had an unhappy experience with the Church. I don't know which one Howard went to, and perhaps Keith, if I recall, went to a Catholic school.
Personally I had a very positive experience of Christian Faith at school, which was not Catholic but Army school in North Camp near Farnborough, and later St. Mary's in Dover.
While believing church buildings should be preserved, I do dedicate my attention to the preservation of the English Church and the British Celtic Churches.
As the Church In High is the Light Tower Church at the Castle, I contribute to its upkeep by being a member of English Heritage and leaving donations at the Church and promoting its vital importance in whichever way I can.
As said, the Mission of a Church is to uphold the Holy Scriptures and not to be silenced off or intimidated, and to insist that the Word be taught to children, including at school.
Anything less than this would be reneging the Church Mission.
I suppose the C/E is between a rock and a hard place because it claims the house of Windsor as its head and dabbles about with questionable teachings of dubious morale.
I suppose it should be the queen defending the C/E, but doubt she cares other than for her palaces and estates.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Also (sorry Lesley
), I found that the C/E Christ Church in Folkestone Road has been ripped down, even though it was in a pristine condition (dating from 1848).
I remember this church standing and passed it every day and can testify it was in excellent condition.
The house of Windsor did not step in to defend this church, and through my eyes as one who lives in Western Dover, that what you sacrifice you lose, and the house of Windsor lost its claim to Christ's Church and its title of Defender of the Faith.
I live in Western Dover and see it through my eyes as a Dovorian.
I see the Fair Lady's Church every day, it indicates the road to Christ's Church Foundations for the House to be rebuilt.
Another important church is St.Martin's in Canterbury, where King Ethelbert founded the English Church in honour of Christ after his marriage to the Christian Princess, later Queen Bertha, who carried the Gospel in her hands to Kent.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Im' a determined geezer;
Let me try again alexander;
POLITICS;#
There is no doubt people have lost faith in politicians at all levels
The young have a great interest in politics when engaged.
BEACON CHURCH;
The start of this posting was to show that THE LEADING CHRISTIANS decided to CLOSE THE BEACON CHURCH
falling numbers being given as a reason (do you accept this Alexander)
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Guest 650- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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On a completely different tack - there are some beautiful things inside the Beacon church and belonging to it. There is, included amongst this, a war memorial - the "Good Shepherd" window is dedicated to those in the armed forces from Buckland and from the church who lost their lives during the two world wars. Do we know what is being done to preserve the memorial and the other historical artefacts?
As interest, the church itself is a war casualty - it used to extend to the boundary with London Road but this part of the church was destroyed in WWII raids. I wonder if, should the land be redeveloped, some plaque will be placed in the buildings to record the history of the site.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i would have thought it would be in the interests of whoever develops it to keep the features intact, prospective flat buyers would go for that.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Over to you Alexander,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Religion was government before we discovered government
Written by man to govern man. To know right from wrong is the only Religion you need
