howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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quite right neil, play the gentleman and let things be, alternatively send him a flight ticket for elba.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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re; paul's comment in the 4th paragraph is borne out by the letter in post 1 of this thread, the last 3 lines are important here.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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If the public were looking at geting more funds for the town with the sell of the port,the best way by a mile was the D,H,B way if a sell had been made it would have give the town no less then £5 million in the pot but could have been alot more,as I said many times going the Mr Wiggins and the MP way would have left the port oweing millions of pounds for years to come. But as it is it will stay as it is for years to come. Aand as for that so called vote,the town of Dover has over 28000 living in it,and only 5000 turning out so that can not be even looked at and the MP was very wrong in telling the house that the public of Dover was behind their plan,in a letter to the Minster I said just that and more.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Going over old territory there Vic, yet again. The £5m you refer to is peanuts and totally inadequate to do anything much. You certainly are not representative of the public view in Dover. That is certain.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Time will show I have been right all the time, I would not call 5000 votes out of 28000 is the public view.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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An eligible electorate of 21000 (approx) Mr Vic. I'm afraid that when it comes to a mandate, support, election, etc. it is the people who vote who are counted, not those who don't, that's democracy. Turns out that the democratic will of the people of Dover was clearly expressed in 5 hours of voting (previous council seat votes did not attract the same percentage of eligible voters across 15 hours of voting) and that their view has been heard and acted upon.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Your view on it,but not mine,or the public as we will see in the years to come,and the D.H.B will not take this lighty just watch them move forward on geting the port the best in the UK ,just to stop it going your way,and for what it is worth,I will be backing them. Bring it on.
Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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It's not surprising the vote went the way it did when those advocating it where using the sort of jingoistic language - "forever England", "selling the White Cliffs", "foreign ownership" etc. etc. - that meant the issues that should have been debated properly were lost in the fog. The reality is that a significant opportunity to secure much need private investment in the port has now been lost.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Hi Kevin, I could not disagree more with you. The sell off as proposed by DHB would have been an almost unmitigated disaster over the long term for both the port and its stakeholders. A significant opportunity has now opened to get the ownership, governance and funding of the port sorted out in a way that actually serves the best interests of all the stakeholders.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr Charles you could be right,but this can still be done by keeping hold of the port within the trust,and the right members on the D.H.B. And as I said I can see the D.H.B. doing just that now,they will pull out all the stops to make the port better then we are seeing it today.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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for those who believe that dover can remain a trust port i would draw their attention to the piece from the minister in post 28.
Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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Hi Neil - I remain open-minded, but was certainly not taken by the manner in which the issue was debated. I have expressed these concerns on the forum before, and was disappointed to see that such themes were repeated yesterday. There is certainly now pressure on those advocating alternative proposals, and indeed the Government, to put some real "meat on the bones" of their business models. There are many examples of private equity bringing increased investment in transport infrastructure. One only has to look at Gatwick Airport and the massive investment seen there since GIP took over with backing from pension and sovereign wealth funds. By the tone of some yesterday, Dover is slamming the door in the face of the very investors we need to attract.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 28........eventually the market place will decide.......
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,707
Amazing how despite what is fantastic news for Dover, so many seem to
a) be incapable of reading the dull decision letter
b) be unable to use a dictionary to understand the difference between certain words
c) only want to rehash old, tired discredited arguments
Me I will celebrate what is looking like a great end to the year for Dover
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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You do that.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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kevin makes a valid point in 108 about the tone of the campaign, even yesterday when charlie was interviewed he referred to "saving the white cliffs" when in fact captain bob done that very recently.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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He said the same over the high speed train and Buckland Hos/ and the prison. in fact he did not join any of them till most of the work had been done by others,Why? just to get votes and he will say the same in two years time when Dover votes for what I hope is a new MP.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Did he really? I think it was actually the National Trust with some small help from DHB
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
yes vic,stick to the j2o's.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I had one today Mr Dixon,But I like the real thing better,but I will have what is going and yes I do like J2