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- 22 December 2012 18:48207093Alexander, you don't need inside information, you just need to understand politicspeak
- 22 December 2012 19:43207100Thank you Mr Garstin and we both hope you have agood time with your family and a very happy Newyear to you and your wife.
- 22 December 2012 20:10207103Peter, I shall contact the DfT about this.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 22 December 2012 20:3220710658. One correspondent suggested the creation of a port service toll to fund developments at ports, and to provide funding for the local authorities in which ports were based as well as an income stream for central Government. The levy would be £50 a vehicle.
From this document on the DfT website: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/39348/dover-harbour-board-transfer-20121220.pdfI'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson - 22 December 2012 21:01207112As said, Peter, I shall contact the DfT, as the information is not correct.
It is £5 per car, £50 per HGV (freight related transport).
I'll omit any mention to civil servants laughing. But of-course, if some-one is going to put wrong - misleading - information on the DfT's summary, they do need to correct it. It would be better that way then have to go through the whole process afterwards.
Thanks for the tip-off Peter, and apologies for any misunderstanding.
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 22 December 2012 21:05207113Oh dear, looks like the whole process will start again cos of Alexander's game changing suggestion....
Been nice knowing you :) - 22 December 2012 21:08207115Yes well obviously £50 a vehicle is ridiculous and they have done you a disservice by paraphrasing your submission out of all recognition. But they have not said from where the response came.
But even at £5 a car and £50 a truck - I'd resign from DPPTL and buy Eurotunnel shares.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson - 22 December 2012 21:11207116£5 added to a £19 day trip, a 25% toll, I'd go to the tunnel !Been nice knowing you :)
- 22 December 2012 21:13207118Yes quite. It's a bit like, I know how to make the White Horse profitable, charge an extra £5 on a pint and £50 on a bottle of wine.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- 22 December 2012 21:24207120Pasted from my representation:
"The following is an indication as to how much could be levied in a port-service toll for the public revenue: a car £5; a heavy goods vehicle £50; a van £10; a bus £1 for each passenger."
Also pasted from my representation:
"This public revenue would be applied in equal measure to all British commercial ports, including therefore the Channel Tunnel in neighbouring Shepway, and would constitute a fundamental basis to the financing of the budgets of Local Government administrations (councils) on whose territory a commercial port is situated, while assuring a reasonable share to the State Treasury."
Hopefully this clarifies any idea of going through the Chanel Tunnel, Paul and peter.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 22 December 2012 21:25207121What about dogs and cats with their pet passports ?Been nice knowing you :)
- 22 December 2012 21:31207123You blog differs, can you make up your mind ?
http://celticbritannia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/british-party-port-toll-revenue.html
"The toll would be £5 for a car, £20 for a commercial van and £50 for each heavy goods vehicle, bus and freight container."
PS - how many members has the 'British Party' got ?Been nice knowing you :) - 23 December 2012 02:13207132I've just asked the DfT to rectify the misunderstanding.
Once again, thanks Peter for letting me know, and a Merry Christmas to you in Surrey!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - Keith Sansum1
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23 December 2012 08:21207138We can just wait in eagerness now about who makes the next moveALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 23 December 2012 09:42207154Yes, well done Peter, apparently you saved Alexander the trouble of reading the document!
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23 December 2012 15:10207193even if alexander did,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 28 December 2012 12:37207520Some of you might or might not wish to read the letter I have just got from the Dept For Transport ,even some of you might have had the same letter,anyway.
Dear Mr Matcham
Port of Dover.
Following your comments on the proposal by Dover Harbour Board,I am writing to inform you that the decision Minister,the Rt Hon Simons Burns MP,has reached a decision.
After careful consideration of the degree to which the transfer scheme proposed by Dover Harbour Board met the Secretary of State for Transfer Guidance Note concerning procedure for the sale of trust ports,which was published in August 2011,the Minister decided not to confirm the transfer scheme from the Board.
The Minister concluded that the transfer scheme proposed would not ensure a sufficient level of enduring community participation in the port.He also concluded that so far as the Board made the application in order to able to optain the additional finance necessary to undertake the proposed redevelopment of the Western Docks,there were other options available to secure that development.
Yours sincerely Erum Mussa. Policy Advisor.
So the way I read it there will be no sell off of the port and the plan for the P/P is dead just like D.H.B. plan, and now it will be up to the D.H.B. to get loans etc to redevelopment the port when they think they need to,and that could be some years ahead yet. So they will get the time to get the funding needed to take the port forward.And that is what will happen,and the port and its 400years is safe within the R/Charter,as I and others have said it would be. - 28 December 2012 13:13207522the last paragraph in the statement by the minister in the link on the opening thread rather contradicts that furthermore the present and former governments have made it clear that trust ports will be a thing of the past.
- 28 December 2012 15:35207531Vic, far from being dead the DPPT is continuing the battle to ensure that we NEVER have to fight this fight to stop the port being sold to private equity again.
Forget the 1606 charter, you are wrong, it no longer has any legal force whatsoever having been written off the statute books by later legislation, it is not even listed by the Privvy Council in their list of extant charters.
I also have that same letter, which is not the full decision letter, only a precis of the decision. The full letter shows clearly that the status quo is not going to continue. If we continue working today, we will get a good settlement in perpetuity with ownership by and for the community. If we sit back and think it is all over, we will get a private equity settlement in 5 years time and one that we WILL NOT like.
I suggest that you read ALL the relevant legislation and get hold of the facts properly before trying to lull people into quiet apathy and an eventual private sale under a different government against the overwhelming majority of opinion. - Brian Dixon
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28 December 2012 15:38207533oh no the ugly head of apathy strikes again.