Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Howard, last time I checked with the land registry the DHB still owned the White Cliffs on the Eastern side and out beyond the Eastern Arm for a fair bit. The bit of cliffs that Bob donated cash to the NT to buy lies well to the East of this area and were never in any danger.
I shall continue to celebrate the most brilliant news that yesterday's announcement is for our community and the other stakeholders.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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vic.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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neil
where would any potential new owners move them to?
the miracle of stonehenge is one thing but the white cliffs are another.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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DHB own the white bits of the cliffs, NT own the green bit on top.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr Wiggins sir I hope you have agreat time,but you are going to get one very big hangover in the newyear.
Along with your mate the MP.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Vic I'm sure he and Charlie will have a good time-but the only hangover around will be in Dr Bob's camp. Can you please explain why you believe that this week's long overdue wonderful announcement is bad news for Neil-in detail please? For the life of me I cannot see how it could be a disadvantage for DPPT-this is the opening they have been waiting for.
Never give up...
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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My representations to DfT have never suggested DHB be disbanded.
If DHB continue to function, either under the supervision of the Department for Transport as hitherto, or under the jurisdiction of the local Community (one or more of our three local councils), or a combination of DfT and Local Government, then where does DPPT come into it?
The local Communities of which I am a part are the ones officially recognised by our Constitution, their councillors are regularly and democratically elected by the Community, their officers are there to ensure the Law is respected when the elected Local Government makes decisions.
As the Port of Dover is a State asset, its Board should be appointed by either Central or Local Government (or a combination of both), and the Board's functioning should be object of regular scrutiny by the State Authority under whose jurisdiction the Port is (or will be), to ensure that the Port is running smoothly and within the established regulations of fair competition.
This would ensure that all stakeholders who use the Port of Dover are given a fair ground on which to operate.
DPPT is not the State, it does not represent me as a Dovorian, and never will.
I will campaign for my rights not to be manipulated or patronised by MP Charlie Elphicke in Parliament or anywhere. He is the elected MP for as long as his term lasts. But as co-founder of a self-styled port trust he DOES NOT represent me!
He has no right to claim or imply in Parliament that DPPT represents me. It does not!
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Wow!! let me make a few ;pointers
1;For those who post on here that stand in elections and never shout about how they are/are not elected in that system
Its a bit rich to be critical of the MP using same methods
2; Hopefully the govt will be fully aware of what the figure represents
3; It will be interesting to see what DHB next move is.
4; Of course the theme coming through now is THE COMMUNITY and the peoples port needs now to convince
not only the GOVT but local people to, that it has the background and knowledge to take on such a venture
and that it is viable, and of course that the local community has a real say in the ports future.
5; Have to be honest and say having the thought of cash strapped govt/or councils running the scheme would be
a no no for me and to use this as a wat forward would be leading us the wrong way,
and it should be pointed out that yes the MP is elected each 4/5 years, but then so are cllrs each 4 years
so no difference.
6; It's now down to the peoples port to step up a gear and start to convince us all the proposal will be good
for Dover and that it most importantly a viable option.
7; I do agree the debate at times has been a sterile one, but thats been a lot because of the lack of decision
by the govt(probably for good reason) which has allowed all kind of strange views to develope even on
this forum.
8; The ball realy is in the peoples port court now, but we will have to see now if it is able to take on a massive
project or even if the govt will allow it to
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the next stage must be dppt presenting their case to the department for transport even though the report shows that their views have been taken on board already.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Courtesy Times.
The Transport Department has ducked out of the politically tricky privatisation of the Port of Dover and kicked it into the
``long grass``
Minister of State for Transport said there was a fear the Port would be sold to cheaply......now what would happen if the market
place raised the ante in the future??
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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one allmighty row with all partys blaming one onther.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Not much more I can add to this one now,as I see it the port will stay in the hands of the trust and the D.H.B. WITH OR without new members for years now,and that is good for the public and the port .
Guest 732- Registered: 8 Nov 2011
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I can honestly say I hope he has lot more bad days ahead of him
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#127. Alex, nobody is forced to feel 'represented' by the DPPT, you need to pay your £10 to be truly represented.
Everyone has their own ideas, even the idiot who suggested to the DfT a £50 per vehicle port toll. The civil servants at the DfT thought that so daft they gave it a special mention in their summary of recommendations!
Nobody is ever going to force you to sign up to anything you don't agree with. Of course if DPPT is eventually successful, you would refuse on principle to accept any painting jobs in the port estate.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The D.H.B. will now pull out all the stops to update the port,MR B.G.will still stay to over see all the work at needs and will get done,more work for our very good workforce as for Mr Wiggins and the ,MP, and you Mr Garstin plan oF A p/p WAS AND IS DEAD before it got off the ground.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Vic, the dust needs to settle first, then we shall see whither we go. Give it a break for Christmas, my friend, and the compliments of the season to you and Lesley. And look after that knee!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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seems very much off the ground as evidenced by the response from the harbour board to their bid being rejected.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Peter Garstin!
I have not suggested a £50 port toll for every vehicle!
My proposal is a £5 toll for every car. This was later supplemented by Kent County Council who asked the Government to impose a toll of £5 for every car, exactly as I had done.
The sum of £50 I proposed for every heavy goods vehicle.
Are you now at the level of giving misleading information to boost DPPT and collect yet mote ten pound notes?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Furthermore, Peter, your comments about "The civil servants at the DfT thought that so daft they gave it a special mention in their summary of recommendations!" could lead to me protesting to the DfT.
Where do you get this supposedly inside information from? And then changing it into something completely different to boot!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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It was mentioned in the email attachment I received from the DfT. I'm sorry, I didn't know it was you.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson