Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Peter! your post 279 is naughty.
I'm sure Paul W won't like that!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Tough.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Or KCC for that matter, Peter
They too are asking the Government for a Port Toll.
Not too sure Neil's version is that of the Government, when arguing against port tolls. Doesn't appear to be from the information at hand.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Currently, the A14 improvement scheme in Cambridgeshire is being considered for tolling. The M6 is already being tolled.
Neil does not seem to accept that these tolls are also for lorries, for all vehicles, as too is the Dartford tunnel.
So any other new road system built using the toll system would also include lorries paying, Neil, regardless of any other basic toll that may or not be charged on lorries which you mentioned.
I'm of the impression that DPPT simply have not followed up on what is being decided in the DfT and, more generally, by the Government, as Neil's latest post proves.
We're talking here of a recent development to devise a toll to be paid individually on new roads that will be built, and the impression i have is that this could also apply to a ferry terminal or to a bridge, as both are road-related.
Furthermore, this mode of finance does not envisage in any statement released by the DfT a form of borrowing money to finance such road facilities, hence the rejection of the DHB bid, and, sorry Neil, most likely the DPPT version too.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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It is wrong to say the M6 is toll it is not ,what we have is a toll rd running long side the m6 to be used if you wish to miss the jams some times on the M6 .
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Alexander - I read and actually understand every Government paper that affects my industry. I do not rely on press reports and speculation. What you have written is a total misrepresentation of what I said and misses the point entirely.
Keith Sansum1
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Neil
Either I'm misunderstanding Alexander, or ,,,,,,,,,,,,
Would you agree the Govt has changed all it's plans BECAUSE OF alexanders proposal?
I'm with peter on govts having any control on the future of the port
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Alex, I am afraid you are linking two totally disconnected issues. Please don't get the idea that you are having a serious influence on Government policy - you aren't.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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To be a little fair to alexander im sure with all the representations from all those who have contacted the govt
they must at least take notice.
Whether or not Alexander has influenced them changing direction is another matter
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Peter, I have got the idea that the DHB privatisation bis was rejected owing to my representations.
My impression is that road tolls will be used to finance new road facilities.
Of-course we await a decision from the DfT to see whether this be the case, but on December 22nd 2012, two days after the DHB bid was rejected, the DfT announced to the Public:
"We have always said we would look at schemes which would fund significant new capacity through tolling"
Black on white, peter.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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2+2=22.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Alexander
careful bruv
I can see you being bitterly dissappointed
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, the DfT stated in the Decision Minister's letter that there are other options to finance a T2 at Western Docks, that it won't be through DHB privatisation.
I don't see any reference to DHB being disbanded or replaced either.
To be quite frank, Keith, I can't see the Government not using a future toll system to get Dover's port traffic to finance road developments in and around Dover, starting at the very docks.
Don't forget that Western and Eastern Docks belong to the same DHB, and I'd be surprised if DHB do not follow suit on my proposal for a toll to finance construction of a T2.
I don't know how you read through DfT statements, Keith, but they seem to be quite clear.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Im clear alexander that the cobbled together govt after some time rejected the bid by D.H.B. my prpblem with your posts alexander is that they are listerning to you along in changing there route
and you alone are set to be the leading light
im sure other proposals on the next move would be more welcomed by the govt
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Well that's your personal problem, Keith, not mine!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Alexander
I don't have any problems on this issue, and even on the outside of the range of issues already out on there
I have been trying to let you down gently
But It looks like your already up in the clouds when the govt makes different decisions and takes a different route in general
lets hope your not to disheartened in the future
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, since February 2010 I've been dedicating my efforts to prevent the privatisation of Dover Harbour Board and from the start the DfT have informed me they are taking into consideration my representations.
They have recently updated the Decision letter to better reflect my main proposal.
No they did not tell me it had been rejected, it is officially an alternative option.
If you have any official proof it is not an alternative option, please let us all know!
Brian Dixon
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ok,ok but lets flog it off to the french or the arabs and be done with it.
Guest 720- Registered: 20 Jul 2011
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Just been reading the Dover Express website coverage of the port privatisation story, and they quote Charlie Elphicke as saying: "At the end of the day, 98 per cent of people in Dover voted for the community port option." I don't think so. As I recall it 5,244 people voted in favour, with 113 against. That may be 98 per cent of those who bothered to vote, but it's certainly not 98 per cent of people in Dover. And don't forget the poll was restricted to those living within Dover Town Council's area, not those in surrounding villages who also have an interest in the port. If Mr Elphicke continues making those sort of claims (and the Express continue to report them without checking their facts), he and they will be on very dodgy ground.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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There were noises from people not resident in the town about not being allowed to vote which is incorrect, any parish council could have held a referendum but i doubt many would have liked to see their money spent on it.