13 November 2010
16:2879929I would have judged burning a giant poppy and shouting about death to Christians a smidge more inciting.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 November 2010
18:2779934after the poppy burning 7 people were arrested, 6 were members of the english defence league and one from the placard wavers.
all that has done is turn a nasty bunch into martyrs and acted as a recruitment sergeant for far right groups.
Keith Sansum1
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13 November 2010
19:0179939Looks like theres no winnng on this on.
they are arrested and thats seen as wrong
had they not been arrested that would have been wrong
sometimes you just cant win
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13 November 2010
19:0379940Martyr or not, sometimes we just have to do the right thing.
Ross Miller
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13 November 2010
19:4079953Those burning the poppy and shouting anti Christian and anti armed forces slogans should have all been arrested for behaviour likely to lead to an affray, racially aggravated breach of the peace and incitement to racial hatred. Those muppets from the EDL should also have been arrested for behaviour likely to lead to an affray.
But of course everyone in authority is too damn scared to confront these Muslim hate mongers in case they get accused of racism etc.
Me I would happily pay for a one way ticket to the Islamic country of their choice and put them on the no-entry to the UK list for the rest of their lives.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 November 2010
19:4079954bern and keith
the point i was making that only one of the poppy haters had his collar felt, much as i have no time for the english defence league the authorities have probably doubled their membership by their actions.
13 November 2010
19:4279955I'm with Ross.
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14 November 2010
08:1779978But Howard makes a very good point too.
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14 November 2010
09:1179985We do indeed have a very cautious society, very cautious about disturbing a sleeping Muslim giant. Thats why the inciters get arrested, no matter how relatively mild the incitement might be. However if the Muslim community take offence, and they do take offence often, then it puts us all in a bad place.
We have two nations here in England. An official one for the English and the rest of us interlopers, and a quiet sleeping one for Muslims. The Muslim community might live here but generally pursue their own lifestyle and their own agenda. They live within our borders but outside our community. We have already seen a number of these young muslims radicalised, and the potential for a great deal more radicalistaion is there. Very worrying for the authorities, as to have a lethal destructive force within your own borders is not good. And they are lethal and almost unstopable because they are prepared to give up their own lives in the process.
The wars have left the world like a tinterbox and they have fed into this amassed radicalisation. Even today in one of the leading sunday newspapers General Sir David Richards, current Chief of our Defence Staff, has said we cannot defeat Al Qaeda. Now thats another radical position....but look at the mess this attempt to do so has left the world in. Can anyone honestly say we have made it a safer place.
14 November 2010
10:5680002Yes - imagine the world without the restraints we do have in place? We need a more robust approach, yet sensitive, on home soil if we are to properly protect it.
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14 November 2010
14:3280008In fact, Al Quaeda has shown that it can pop up from many different places, and is hardly going to send any members on the battle-field in Afghanistan. My view is that so many British soldiers have fallen in Afghanistan in the past few years fighting the Taliban, where-as it seems that Al Queda has long since upped and gone to different hidden bases elsewhere. The press and media have written and spelled it out clearly, we all know it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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14 November 2010
16:3380023Paulb;
We do not do enough to integrate, be fair, how many of you come across locals who have no interest in integration.
Worse, actually go out of your way to stop it happ;ening?
There is no doubt without intervention we would be in a worse state than we are now ref taking on the extremists.
The point i make howard is that all those who law break should be dealt with,
And if the geezer with the hook hand is spouting kill cristians, or other such words then send him home, after all hes our guest.
If its not legal to, sort out the legal system so it is possible
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14 November 2010
17:0480032Integration is a two way process.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 November 2010
18:3980045keith
paul was referring to muslims integrating, we do not have any around here as far as i know.
in any case it is up to the incomer to integrate with the host nation, not the other way around, i must add that i know of none of the recent intake that have made an effort to understand our ways or have made any effort whatsoever to integrate.
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14 November 2010
21:0680064There are a few Muslims in the area, some come into the shop, they seem very nice.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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14 November 2010
23:2680077There are a few around but lets be fair and honest v been in places where intergration was suggested but refused by the group concerned
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 November 2010
23:3380079would you like to give some examples keith?
it is not about groups but individual people.
15 November 2010
00:1080091As an Englishman I have never encountered any problems with foreigners (although looking at the news they seem to be perpetually capable of practising unimaginable acts of cruelty on each other).
As long as one is friendly and treats them as human beings who usually happen to be a little bit browner and smaller, and a great deal poorer than the rest of us, one rarely finds problems.
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15 November 2010
12:2980124Howard
in reply to your question, ts dfficult wthout naming people to save embarrassment
but in past integration was asked by local migrant helpline
but a flat no was recieved so it didnt happen
never did get an answer as to why not
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 November 2010
13:0680129keith
what do you mean by integration, it covers rather a lot of things?
