Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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11 November 2010
19:0579674#1
Some of you will have seen the story that broke today on this. A Tory Councillor, not local, from Birmingham in fact, made a fairly nasty remark on Twitter about stoning a muslim woman to death, and he has been arrested and charged. He said it was an attempt at humour, but of course.. nobody 's laughing.
A number of people recently have been arrested for the content of their internet comments...so there is a lesson here for all of us. That old 'free speech' chestnut doesnt hold up if you pass the bounds of decency and responsibility in certain areas. Nor does the notion that you were making a joke.
It is no secret, this forum is monitored, and we have spoken about this before over the years and it has in fact been monitored for content for a number of years...and I heard this directly. So it is up to every individual to be aware that laws that previously may have slept for years un-noticed on the statute book, have found new feet in the modern age.
The responsibility is always with the individual that makes the comment.
So, an interesting development today that everyone should be aware of.
11 November 2010
19:1179676#2
Well I think that whoever is monitoring this site should be stoned to death.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 November 2010
19:1679678#3
nice one bob, back to the post, yes we are monitored very very closely.
about 3 years ago i made a throwaway comment about behavious outside my door on a saturday night.
this was brought up at the next priory forum meeting by a member of her majesty's constabulary, a toe to toe row between us occurred after a veiled threat that i could be prosecuted.
i could list at least a dozen things where someone makes a casual remark and all hell has broken loose.
11 November 2010
19:2179681#4
Howard, what a shame that Plod is not out doing something useful rather than monitoring what can only be described as an electronic version of 'Care in the Community'.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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11 November 2010
19:3079685#5
Unfortunately nowadays the internet spawns allsorts of unfortunate developments in so many ways, much nastiness has reared its head in recent times and we often hear about these nasty cases on TV and radio , well... we all know what we're talking about without going into it in too much detail...so I suppose when it keeps us protected its probably a vital strand of law enforcement.
Jan Higgins
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11 November 2010
20:1079692#6
I always re-read my posts before posting so that I hopefully do not upset anyone because of poor wording and poor spelling which really annoys me. I often find I have to alter the phrasing to make my comment clearer, well I hope they're clear.
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Keith Sansum1
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11 November 2010
20:1579694#7
Not sure how anyone can say stonng some one to death to be a joke
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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11 November 2010
20:1979698#8
To put it politely he is obviously a bit of a plonker.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 November 2010
20:2179699#9
did not bob dylan advocate that everybody had to be stoned?
11 November 2010
20:2779701#10
Absolutely Keith.
My remark above is obviously 'offensive', and a 'gross insult' and I'm only surprised that no-one has claimed that they are an 'incitement to murder'
I fully expect any/all organisations to which I belong to state that 'These comments were unacceptable and the party has taken decisive action on this matter by suspending the individual' and a visit from Plod, who having finished his bacon sandwich is no doubt already cycling round to Frost Villas, to arrest me under under section 127 (1a) of the Communications Act of 2003 on suspicion of sending an offensive or indecent message.
11 November 2010
20:3279704#11
Bob, I will post bail for you (provided it is'nt more than a fiver!!
Brian Dixon
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11 November 2010
20:3679706#12
howard,i think he ment having a few spliffs during the day.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 November 2010
20:4779711#13
brian
are you suggesting that i have spent the last 40 years not understanding the lyric?
if that is true i will shave my backside and walk backwards for a week.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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11 November 2010
20:5079714#14
howard,i am a big bob dillon fan.but mind you it took me a while to work that one out.
11 November 2010
21:0579720#15
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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12 November 2010
07:5879749#16
Monty Python's Life of Brian had a stoning scene - and that was funny.
Why is it O.K. for (Islamic) fanatics to spout things like "death to the Crusaders", or "behead the infidels", or even, "kill the Christians", but if we say "boo", we're arrested: bit one-ided isn't it ?
Roger
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12 November 2010
08:1779752#17
Well indeed that demo seen on TV yesterday was very unpalatable. They were quite well organised as all turned up dressed in black with variations, and were shouting some fairly abysmal slogans...cant remember right now of the top of my head the terminology used but it was revolting. I dont think this kind of extremism works in demonstrations because it just alienates the viewer. Rule One: youve got to get the viewer on your side.
Well I think what they were doing was against the law, as it is classified as incitement but whether there were any police on hand to arrest them or not I dont know...or may be they just let it go. Islamists were arrested before on a previous demo for brandishing banners of incitement. But if you dont write it down....?
Incitement is a very dangerous thing nowadays as we know.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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12 November 2010
08:4479757#18
thnk everyone is treated the same but maybe goverments run scared of the legal system and costs sadly.
We only have to see the compensation culture we have created.
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13 November 2010
13:5379916#19
Just two comments:
Bob - pigs don't eat bacon
Why was this MP guy arrested (not condoning it, just asking the question) when people burning the poppy and shouting about Christians were given a group hug and walked?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 November 2010
16:2579926#20
the more i think about it, it does seem a strange thing to get arrested for, i didn't read it as inciting hatred or violence to anyone.
wouldn't it have been simpler to have asked him to remove the "tweet"?
