Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Strikes me from this that we most certainly can afford decent healthcare in this country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_%28PPP%29_per_capita" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_%28PPP%29_per_capita
The real question is therefore not how we put the money up (direct state funding, individual funding via insurance etc) but how we ensure best value for money when it is spent
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Thanks Howard
Here is another intersting link - tends to suggest the government only wnat their solution to the NHS
http://bengoldacre.posterous.com/who-is-and-is-not-invited-to-camerons-emergen"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
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Yet another error of judgement ?....................
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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So what will the outcome of this bill be?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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no-one seems to know keith, ross refers to a meeting being held on the future of the n.h.s without input from health professionals.
worth a look at the original link on funding in other countries.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Not so Reg.
Their views & opposition are plastered all over the television & media.
There are other organisations that need to be heard & not drowned out by the medical mafia in particular. They don't have exclusivity.
I find it fascinating that they protest they want to attend meetings to discuss matters they don't want to engage in.
I suppose if they inform government they have positive proposals their presence may be relevant, other wise it has all been said before.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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seems to all be a shambles to me
looking to head to failure then when do we go
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Much of the opposition to the Bill is from turkeys objecting to Christmas.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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peter;
far from correct matey
as has been said by many posters
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#129 - absolutely.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Ross's link gives total spending by country. It does not break if down into government, personal and insurance-funded spend and is therefore not worth a whole lot. If you plotted the total cost of breaking a leg in each country you would probably come up with similar rankings.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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True - but the valuable figure is the PPP figure which shows the purchasing power parity amount per head spent on healthcare from all sources - we are way down the list. Now that doesnt mean government should spend more, but as one of the the 10 richest economies in the world we are significantly underspending on health care - from all sources.
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Compared with our peer group of countries, Ross, I would say that a good part of the differential lies in the fact that our nurses, radiographers, midwives, etc etc are grossly under-rewarded for the job they do.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Peter you could well be right and it certainly explains some of the disparity.
Now this link is for Reg and Keith to get seriously furious about
http://socialinvestigations.blogspot.com/2012/02/nhs-privatisation-compilation-of.html"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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post 135 throws up no surprizes
but what it does is shows why the cobbled together govt wants to push these reforms through.
In the best interests,,,,,,oh yes ,,,,,,,,,
in the best interests of the parties, when your getting donations to your party
it must cloud your decision making.
Bringing this to a local level in the council chamber paulw ued to always try to get individuals to declare interets to try to stop them voting(which i never agreed with)
would be interested to see if he takes the same view of his political leaders
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Try obeying the legislation Keith & letting the public know you had a vested interest.
It's called honesty & openess.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that must apply in all debates.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Indeed Howard.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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If anyone has an investment portfolio of any value under professional management, it is inconceivable that it would not have some exposure to healthcare in some way or other. Let's take the proposition further. If an MP has shares in British Gas he can't debate energy policy. If he has shares in BT he can't debate telecoms policy. If he has shares in Tesco he can't get involved in debates on retail. How far do you want to take it? Given that most MPs and Lords must have some investments, that would disqualify most of our legislators from legislating. Should they sell everything and invest in gilts instead? Oh but then they couldn't take part in the budget debate.
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