This is not aimed just at Keith!
Question: if Lansley goes, if Cameron reneges on his plans for the NHS, if all the plans and stategies already in place are up-ended.........what then?
This NHS is buggered, to be blunt. Some exceptional surgery is needed to resurrect the patient, who will resemble but not be what it was decades ago, because it is no longer decades ago.
Question: would you be happy for your GP to use out dated equipment, old brass stethescopes, non-digital diagnosis tools, perhaps a carrier pigeon instead of a telephone or computer? Probably not - because they are no longer relevant to todays medicine in todays world. You would, I assume, expect a degree of expertise, commitment and vigour? Well, those don't get thrown out along with steel kidney bowls and starched nurses caps (I once had one that took 20 minutes to put on and came with what felt like hundreds of clips - I got it caught in the curtains around someones bed once. Pain??!! Yes!!)
Stop fighting change - the characteristic of the Old and hard of understanding - and try to ensure the best outcomes instead.
Well said Bern , the tit for tat party line nonsense has to stop , I really dont care which party is saying it . We can worship the white elephant of the NHS as it stands, all we want .
Guess what, it will still be a white elephant
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Ah but whilst there are people like Dover Forums very own Staddler & Waldorf on the left and the likes of the current crop of supine Tory backbenchers on the right the inter party football game that is both Health and Education will continue
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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How true Ross
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ROSS;
Theres nowt lefty about wanting to get the best outcome for the NHS even bern agrees.
the present plans are being feared not just by senior ministers in both the tory and lib camps,
but also health professionals.
but lansley(with cameron support) is not convincing anyone this present plan is the way forward
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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.........in an effort to bring it back to the thread.......
We all...especially those of us who use the service extensively want/need the NHS to improve continually
year on year.
Many of us...especially those that use the NHS extensively,the majority of the profession and the majority of
people of all levels of education believe this Reform Bill goes to far.
As for stainless steel kidney bowls,pigeons,caps with many pins that once in a life time get caught in patients
bed curtains....................best we beg to differ.....with some integrity............
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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everything appears to be state of the art when i use the health service, always improvements to be made in some areas.
the equipment used on me must have cost a small fortune.
The point was, chaps, that the old stuff is no longer appropriate because times change. Standards and integrity remain crucial, but the way we deliver and manage services and medicine will inevitably develop and change.
Keith, not sure why "even" Bern agrees. My main driver in all of this is to improve and maintain quality services appropriately delivered. That will probably mean delivering them differently.
Also, I am totally unclear about what Reg's post actually means......can someone help?
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Been nice knowing you :)
Not just me then...?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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BERN;
I just took you at your word in post in your last sentence
we all want the best outcomes.
no one on here has indicated the NHS doesn't need improvement
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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For your information...........................
Tens of thousands of 38 Degrees members have voted on what we do next to save the NHS. The votes have been counted. Here's our top priority: force MPs to hold a fresh debate on whether to scrap Andrew Lansley's dangerous plans for our health service. [1]
There's a petition on the government website calling for Lansley's NHS plans to be dropped. It's got 60,000 names on it. The government has said that when a petition reaches 100,000 names it can trigger a proper debate in Parliament. [2] So let's get signing!
Add your name to the government e-petition here:
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/22670howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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nice try reg but won't work, dave has staked his future on these particular reforms and will not allow further debate on the issue.
a petition can have a million names on it but there is no ruling that says it guarantees a commons debate..
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
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I think we'll call you "wrong way Reg".
These changes are happening now.
They can & are being enacted as we write.
The legislation is necessary to allow transference of services.
You are the Reg. who has supported GP's commissioning services to deliver a new Buckland Health facility.But now the same Reg. who denies them the opportunity to make the spending changes & decisions for local people.
Watty
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Ohhh Paul - I bet that stung!!! well said.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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but paulw
are you not the same paulw that promised a new hospital for dover
and now the same paulw that has down graded that ambition
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Keith please don't tell me you are naive enough to believe a council leader can deliver a hospital. Certainly PaulW is not daft enough to promise one. All politicians can ever do is to promise to do their best. Your lot tried and failed, now the other lot are trying.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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PETER;
but your lot peter are looking to fail as well
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