Health Bill...so far
- 9 February 2012 19:59Senior Tories tell PM to drop Health Bill as changes can be made without legislation.Cabinet minister,Senior
tories and Chief whios office say there is widespead public hostility to the Bill and it will give an open goal to
Labour at the next General Election.
Cameron is ``so far`` supporting Mr Lansley but a group of tories are asking for him to to return to the
Will it be the biggest ``U`` turn so far ?
Is our NHS still in mortal danger? Andrew Lansley's NHS plans are due to become law within three months. So we need to vote now to decide what we should do together in the next few weeks to keep our NHS safe.
Our campaign has made real progress. We have just heard that under pressure from us, the House of Lords has watered down Lansley's plan to scrap his responsibility to provide an NHS.  That's a huge success and shows that our campaign can work.
But there's still plenty to worry about. Leading medical organisations like the Royal College of GPs and the Royal College of Nurses are now calling outright for Lansley's plans to be dropped. They warn that - even with the changes we've campaigned so hard for - the plans are "a mess" and the future of the NHS is still under threat. 
Can you fill in a quick online poll to help decide what we do next? Then we can spring back into action next week.
- 9 February 2012 20:04I wish the NHS was in mortal danger, of the real substantial and radical changes needed to improve our healthcare.
These reforms are just fiddling with a failing system.
- 9 February 2012 20:05yes ok,an eton mess.
- 9 February 2012 20:06and fiddling is the opertive word along with CONsultation etc,etc.
- 9 February 2012 20:11Oh dear this old can of worms again"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
- 9 February 2012 20:16Gets a bit pointless after a while re-hashing the same old things over and over.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard at times.
- 9 February 2012 20:20lansley seems intenton digging a hole for himself by totally failing to make a coherent case for his reforms.
most of us don't even know what they entail.
- 10 February 2012 09:25Privatisation is the aim, but even lansleys failing to convince even his own party of the reforms, and like barryw says it's tickering at a bigger job.
it'sd going to fail, we have less radical people him so(and they are far more qualified to do so) royal college of GP's royal college of nursing
not usually known to speak out.
it will all end in tears
but at what cost??????COME ON DOVER ATHLETIC AUTOMATIC PROMOTION THIS SEASON
- 10 February 2012 09:25Well we saw the headlines this week about Lansley being taken out and shot. This indeed is the No 10 position on his (Lansleys) appalling media image. Have we not said over and over again about media image and presentation skills. Lansley hasnt got any full stop.. so thats why he cant sell the reforms...and No10 know it.
Even if you have the best message in the world, telling everyone about your invention of sliced bread, if you cannot get people to listen to you.. your sliced bread invention will stay on the cutting room floor as it were.
From a fairly strong start the NHS reforms have gone down the cesspit route with every medical professional now turning their backs on it. This leaves Cameron in a dire position having to defend the hopeless reform mess and has given Ed Miliband a new lease of life as we saw at PMQ this week. Isnt the boy Miliband doing better!
A bit of amunition and away you go.
Mr Cameron must be spitting feathers over Lansley.Last edited by PaulB at 09:28 on 10 Feb 2012email: firstname.lastname@example.org
- 10 February 2012 09:28All these things are adding up to see the cobbled together govt realy has no idea in what direction to go.
lansleys has made a pigs ear of this allCOME ON DOVER ATHLETIC AUTOMATIC PROMOTION THIS SEASON
- 10 February 2012 10:08#10 (post number how ironic!) PaulB you are absolutely right, and even the conservatives themselves are rising up now!
- 10 February 2012 10:33Although most acknowledge the need for reforms, it seems that the vast majority do not want these particular reforms.
Perhaps all Mr Lansley needs is donations from someone other than John Nash to rethink his ideas. (I don't mean the Regency Architect).
The problem seems to be that legislation of all types is being drawn up by those with an attitude of: "I know all about health care because I have been ill, or once had an sick relative"; The mentality of those with little imagination or empathy.
It is much the same as Mr Gove's mentality: "I know all about education because I once went to school"
The government should be working with the NHS to make reforms, not just listening to their rich mates. At this moment health professionals have no faith in these 'reforms', so what does that tell us?
I appreciate that the health professionals have personal interests too and that a reform that suits all is never possible. However at the moment I don't think we are seeing a balanced approach, from a government that has made a record breaking amount of legislation in such a short time.
So much for Small Government!Last edited by DT1 at 11:30 on 10 Feb 2012
- 10 February 2012 12:04if lansly has dug a deep hole for himself,just thinking that some nasty bugger will nick the ladder before he can get out.
- 10 February 2012 18:59Now three Cabinet ministers have told the conservative most influencial website to tell Cameron not to continue with the Health Bill.
Public opinion regards it similar to the `Poll Tax` and are concerned that the governments `risk list`of the Bill is being kept secret.
`Reform`conservative right wing think tank says the Bill will damage ``NHS is safe in their hands``message.
The Lib/Dem spring conference will have on its agenda `Drop the Health Bill``motion.
The Health Bill joins the many ill-conceived rushed policies that have resulted in `U`turns by this Government.This could be the biggest yet......
It could be that Lansley is not the only one taken out and shot........
- 10 February 2012 19:33And down in Dover, we are in the forefront of the scheme , piloting Health & Well Being Boards[HWBB], Clinical Commissioning Groups[CCG's]Jt working on Health & Social Services & setting up single points of contact for GP's.
Commissioning Plans for CCG's are out for consultation from early March.
It is happening whilst the national politics muddles on.
- 10 February 2012 19:41wise heads in cabinet see the real problem unlike dave.
the reforms are one issue but more importantly is that the health service is high on the public agenda. always bad news for the blues.
the simple fact is that all opinion polls over the years show that the public do not trust them over the health service.
- 10 February 2012 19:48yes howard, looks like the 3 senior cabinet mrembers have seen the light
will our dave see it soon.
for lansley to say he aint resigning makes situation worse
hes alone on his mission little support
few trust him or this govtCOME ON DOVER ATHLETIC AUTOMATIC PROMOTION THIS SEASON
- 10 February 2012 19:57I wonder if anyone can tell me the advantage in NOT making the changes. #15 sounds like we are making a good start and taking the initiative. Please, tell me you don't think the NHS was ok as it was..............
- 10 February 2012 20:29Quite ironic really we have "Reg. the protest" complaining about local people & Doctors having the say on where they have their services provided.
Funny old world folks.
- 10 February 2012 20:40having their say is markedly different to having influence.
if they are so haopy having their say why are they so against the reforms?
what do hwbb's and ccg's do other than have snappy initials paul?