Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#21
When I complained to labour party politicians in parliament,,, they sent me back letters telling me I have the right to go work in Europe ,,so now happily they can all go work in Europe
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#22
france is nice this time of year kieth,eastern Europe is nice to,beer and food is cheap along with free water to...
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#23
I'm sure the floodgates were open around 1998 as Jean and I had had our guest house for about 4 years and then the brown sticky stuff hit the fan and most guest houses (especially in Folkestone Road) lost so much business.
The newspaper reporters were running up and down the road asking for stories about illegal immigrants.
Roger
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#24
In all Labour's pronouncements, they were non-aspirational, just appealing to people who would likely to be claiming benefits. There's no shame in claiming genuine benefits at all, but many people who work and pay taxes and want to get a better life, were more inspired by the Conservatives.
Didn't help in my ward of course, so not sure what that says about the majority of people here.
Roger
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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#25
The reds are going absolutely nowhere and will remain in the mire for a generation. It's their own fault, of course,having drifted so far left they made the SWP look positively centrist.
One telling aspect of their demise is, once again, CLIMATE CHANGE.
Their manifesto had more to say about CLIMATE CHANGE than it did about growth, development and a strong economy.
But harping on about CLIMATE CHANGE leaves them in the position they find themselves in the silly billies.
They deserve everything they get.
Still think CLIMATE CHANGE is something to worry about?
Ed Miliband's obsession has cost him dear.
Oh! Bliss.
Absolute bliss.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#26
They are now running round like Edless chickens looking for someone to blame. Odds-on favourite is the electorate.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#27
Doesn't help when their potentially most electable leader refuses to enter the race.
SWWood- Location: Dover
- Registered: 30 May 2012
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#28
Peter Garstin wrote:They are now running round like Edless chickens looking for someone to blame. Odds-on favourite is the electorate.
Rupert Murdoch. It's always Rupert Murdoch.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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#29
Where do the reds go from here - apparently Ibiza is good at this time of year, even if you're being paid as an MP.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#30
Bolshevism collapsed when Gorbatchiev put an end to it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#31
Two front runners Chuka Ummuna and Dan Jarvis are not standing for personal reasons leaving people like Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper in the front seat. I think that unless they want a long stint in the wilderness they will choose someone young with a broad outlook.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#32
They need to come back to the centre ground and give working people something to aspire to, not just keep saying "we'll keep your benefits up". People who are working and paying their taxes, don't want to keep hearing that.
I have said many times though, that we must keep helping those who are in genuine need.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#33
Quite a few of the candidates are saying that the party was too limited in its appeal to be elected which seems pretty obvious to me. People criticise Blair but he knew that all sorts of people need to be wooed in order to win elections.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#34
I was debating with an old hardened labour party member in Aylesham.
I suggested that one of the reasons working class voters abandoned the labour party was that labour would not give them an EU referendum?
The big party member replied "they had a vote in 1975"
I still don't think their listening
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#35
One reason., Keith Bibby, why many people don't vote UKIP, is that it is hard to find anyone bothered to deliver leaflets for them.
Paying Bulgarians or a Polish company to deliver UKIP leaflets is proof that UKIP gravitate around a general sense of apathy from the British Public and do not really inspire people.
And not finding enough British people prepared to deliver leaflets for UKIP as volunteers is proof that UKIP's message not only is empty, but lacks the capacity to propagate itself via leaflet-distribution or other forms of communication.
That may be why many people are not listening.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#36
Would spell big trouble for the Reds if Unite cut off their funding.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32777771Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#37
The unions need to get rid of the infiltrated middle class labour party, and start a new labour party ,with the old labour policy of EU out.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#38
That would just split the left vote and leave the way for Dave and his ilk to ride roughshod over working people, besides most union members are public sector so that would turn off the low waged non union staff in the private sector.
The answer must be to elect a leader that the public can identify with.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#39
The labour vote is already split because it doesn't represent the majority of working class people.
And the Tories are in and will stay in until an alternative arrives.
I think one of the biggest problems with labour is its full of old people that haven't been in the workplace for around 25 years, and a public sector protected middle class that are out of touch in the Thatcher private sector brutalised work place.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#40
Surely one of the most outdated expressions is "working class".
Once upon a time it meant those who did manual labor of some kind or belonged to the unskilled labour workforce but now these people can earn really good money often more than those who have been to university. Anyone who works are now working class people and many are no longer poor like years ago.
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