Keith Sansum1
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My wife who's not political at all listened to her and said she wouldn't trust her !
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Captain Haddock
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Managed decline is a phrase that refers to the management of the decline (or "sunset") phase at the end of a lifecycle, with the goal of minimizing costs or other forms of losses and harm.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/broken-britain-what-went-wrong/"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Having heard much of Elphicke lately.
Or the Labour guy
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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We're almost in the territory where the Tories are sabotaging government to make life as difficult as possible for an incoming Labour government. Election cannot come soon enough.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I'm sure Neil, Labour will ,as it already is, make it difficult for themselves
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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And there are those who still can't see through this shameless gaslighting. I know - let's all moan about Diane Abbott shall we?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Your newly acquired research skills are rather wide of the point. Which part of 'government plans' are you struggling to understand? Here's another of your undoubted political favourites being forced to display a scintilla of honesty (eventually).
https://www.tiktok.com/@c4news/video/7281279224923688225 Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Won't have TicTok on 'phone or computer (use Pegasus instead!
)
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:Won't have TicTok on 'phone or computer (use Pegasus instead!
)
You don't need to install the application. The link will run in any browser window quite happily. Any excuse to sidestep the point though.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Right. Viewed it. See #607.
Reply by Ray - (for it is he) :-
But, but, but it wasn't 'government plans' it was a 'report to parliament' which is TOTALLY different' etc.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:Right. Viewed it. See #607.
Reply by Ray - (for it is he) :-
But, but, but it wasn't 'government plans' it was a 'report to parliament' which is TOTALLY different' etc.
Exactly the point. You don't scrap 'reports to Parliament' and then claim to have reversed plans.
Weird Granny Slater
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Ross Miller wrote:...the Tories moved further to the right the opposition parties are also obliged to move that direction to continue to be seen to be electable...
I never fail to find this species of left liberal 'thinking' hilarious. Oh, it's not just you, RM; you're in good company, especially on here.
Whenever I see apparently seasoned political watchers of independent mind parrot this convenient Blairite cover story it splits my sides so much I have to take long breaks to heal myself.
Fortunately, today I have been wearing a corset.
Sure, the Overton window's real (and it's less a window now than an arrow slit). But it's not where you think it is.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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You may not like Abbott but the locals supported her .
Within the party she stayed to quiet on many issues
But faced with being kicked out she jumped first
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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New research by
High IQ Solutions, a left think tank, has found evidence of the Conservative Party's move further to the right*
*This information has been
The Guardian fact-checked and BBC verified.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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High IQ Solutions also found increasing evidence of the Labour Party's further move to the right in order to catch up with the Conservative Party's further move to the right*
*This information has been approved by Channel4 and Sky News following rigorous misinformation checks.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Weird
Nice your just catching up
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Ross Miller
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@wgs - the nomenclature of right & left has become highly garbled over the last few decades, however it is still true that political parties in opposition will move towards the stance & policies of the government in order to appear electable.
By the same token I am neither liberal or what you seem to define as left wing.
You come across as an out & out contrarian offering nothing constructive to any debate on here yet all the while posing as the intellectual superior of the rest of the contributors.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Ah, the 'nomenclature', RM, was not of my choosing, but yours. I quote you: 'the Tories moved further to the right...'. Disavow the distinction if you like (fwiw I, too, think it inadequate without additional categories, and maybe even so with them), but don't then build an argument on it.
It is far from 'true' that opposition parties adopt governing parties' policies in order to appear electable. Whenever did an opposition party appeal to a dissatisfied electorate with the slogan 'Vote for us. We're just like the government'? It at least tries to appear different.
Of course, it's a trick. But I think what you're getting at here is something else, which is that the actual range of policy options (social, foreign, economic) that can now even be discussed (your Overton window) has narrowed to a point at which there is no substantive difference between parties. Everything outside this range is 'extremist'. This is also a point I have made many times. If I have you wrong, let me know.
In addition, I'd say this is not an accidental occurrence.
An 'out & out contrarian'? How I wish it were that simple. However, never one to shun a challenge, I promise to try to ensure that my posts are less open to such superficial readings.
That's 'constructive', don't you think?
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Contrarian? No. Weird? No. Granny? No. Easy enough to draw some conclusions.
