Tory party in turmoil
- Ross Miller
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26 September 2023 21:45382707Yes I used the L&R nomenclature as that is what others use, but as you correctly ascertained I do not believe it to have been an adequate reflection of the state of politics for some considerable time.
I posited that parties will move towards rather than adopt the parties of government, they have to appear non-extreme but also sufficiently different to convince voters they will get something other than what they will receive which is more of the same just with a different paint job & rosette.
As you suggest the range of policy options is tiny & almost identical between the main players. Whilst this shift is most marked & noticeable in the UK & US it is being repeated across Europe & further afield. We are sadly all being left with a choice between a few establishment parties that are no more than a fag paper apart on pretty much everything."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - Keith Sansum1
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27 September 2023 09:12382710on no Ross,now I'm worried I'm agreeing with youALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 27 September 2023 09:34382713Did we all enjoy Suella Braverman's latest attempt to get the sack? Rather easy for Number 10 to bat off with "She was simply starting a discussion..." type lines.
- 27 September 2023 11:44382715'Multiculturalism has failed’ says Suella Braverman who is from Kenyan and Mauritian background, married to a Jew and a practising member of a rather controversial Buddhist sect. She serves as Home Secretary in a govt led by a Hindu Prime Minister whose family all came from India. Additionally we have a Muslim Mayor of London and a Muslim First Minister of Scotland.
Clearly she didn't take her sense of irony with her on her trip to pander to the knuckle-dragging neocons! - Jan Higgins
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27 September 2023 12:12382716Just to let you all know I thoroughly dislike Braverman, a useless soundbite politician at best, the sooner she goes the better.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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28 September 2023 10:43382720She can't be the only one Jan .
Thing is these people are dangerous in charge of the country !ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - Jan Higgins
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28 September 2023 13:46382722She isn't Keith. I also dislike Angela Rayner, possibly even more, but she should not really be mentioned on this Tory based thread..
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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28 September 2023 15:10382724Suella? No sense of irony?
And her with a birth certificate which shows 'Sue-Ellen', making her sound like a character from Dallas (a popular TV series from 1978-91 Ray).
Father of Goan Christian ancestry, partial scholarship to fee paying secondary, Law at Cambridge (chairman of the Cambridge University Conservative Association) followed by Erasmus prog & Entente Cordiale Scholar, where she studied for a master's degree in European and French law at Panthéon-Sorbonne University for starters.
Sounds like she's grabbed post Enlightenment European Culture with both hands as have Rishi Sunak, Sajid Javid, Priti Patel, James Cleverley, Nadhim Zahwani, Kemi Badenoch and loads of others?
There's even a few members on the Labour Benches aksing (sic) questions!
While the Zulu re-eactment society are runing round London with their assegais and the thicko white working class are dodging school due to 'mental-health due to lockdown innit' there's a massive sub-group of second generation immigrants who are embracing what I consider to be MY culture and was surprised to find Ray even bothering to list the lineage or religion of various politicians ............... sounds a teeny bit 'racist' to me?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/education/london-academy-excellence-stratford-sixth-form-students-medical-school-doctors-b1107961.html"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson - Keith Sansum1
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29 September 2023 08:32382728Lots more Tories Jan.
Elphicke just one of manyALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 29 September 2023 11:24382730If you didn't laugh, you would surely cry. At least one local business benefited apparently (even if it was in Folkestone).
- 4 October 2023 08:29382763I think you're entering the realms of fantasy there, Corporal Jones.....
- Keith Sansum1
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5 October 2023 07:30382769Trouble is the Tories actually believe themselves .
Hate to say this but next general election Labour will probably win , not because they are any more popular than Tories , but because of system , and lib dems winning a few tory seats ,
Labour prob win a few off SNP
A lot of non voters out there this time , this could affect outcomeALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - Jan Higgins
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5 October 2023 11:00382771This Tory government is now very unpopular, therefor justified or not get the blame for everything that has gone wrong. Labour will win at the next GE but that is mainly because the country simply want a change, whether that will be for the better we will have to wait and see.
All these strikes by those already on a high wage like consultants and train drivers seem more about pushing the anti Government message rather than anything else.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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5 October 2023 12:56382776Jan Higgins wrote:Labour will win at the next GE
Apartently the bookies are offering 7/1 on the Tories winning but was unable to get either of the Deal betting shops to take my money yesterday."We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson - Keith Sansum1
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6 October 2023 09:03382789Jan
We mainly agree apart from strikes bit lolALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - Captain Haddock
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6 October 2023 14:34382794Dear Natalie,
I have always taken an interest in 'grands projets'.
As a student studying Civil Engineering I worked on the construction of 'Hinckley A' Nuclear Power Station and my brother was the Project Engineer on the $22 billion Sakhalin2 Project for Shell.
I have long been worried about the lack of readiness of the National Grid as we head towards net-zero (the car charging points in Aldi Deal were restricted to two due to lack of supply) and the primitive state of our sewers (the proposed development of a few flats at the Nason's site in the middle of Canterbury, where incidentally I can't get a mobile 'phone signal, would overwhelm the sewage system so they will be served by a regular tanker picking up from the equivalent of an inner-city cess-pit!).
Now I'm faced with the farce of HS2.
You, surely of all MPs, having seen the benefits of HS1 to your constituency, should have been one of its most vociferous supporters?
The year Menghua Railway, China’s LONGEST coal transporting railway line, is expected to be put in operation in Oct. The 1,837-km railway will carry 200 million tonnes of COAL annually from N China's Inner Mongolia to E China's Jiangxi.
Meanwhile WE can't even complete the much reduced line from London to Manchester (via Crewe).
Now we learn that the line is not even guaranteed to Euston!!!! t
'If only Isambard Kingdom Brunel had scrapped the GWR beyond Bristol and terminated the other end at West Drayton rather than Paddington they could have spent the money saved improving turnpikes countrywide to improve transport' as Rishi might have said?
I note also that Japan was celebrating FIFTY years of the Bullet Train nearly a decade ago.
https://www.uk.emb-japan.go.jp/en/webmagazine/2014/11/shinkansen.html
And the idiot Government are about to sell off all the compulsorily purchased land on the route to stop anyone building HS2 in the near future ................................. .
Disgusted does not sum it up. I'm ashamed of my country.
At the AGM the other week I mentioned the many failings of the NHS and suggested a Royal Commission, like Harold Wison had sixty (?) years ago.
It was to consider the "best use and management of the financial and manpower resources of the NHS".
Since then the Health Service has changed beyond all recognition and it turns out that most civilised countries have some sort of socialised Health Service (the USA is the exception), none of them have followed our funding model, and almost all of them have better 'healthcare outcomes' - i.e. make patients 'better'.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly
What do you propose doing? A Royal Commission would leave some sort of legacy and I can't see any MP opposing it?
They say that the future is with us but it's just badly distributed.
Arthur C Clarke (who shares my birthday!) said " “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”"
I'm not even expecting the illusion of magic, I'd just like SOMETHING, just ANYTHING to work.
It doesn't have to be like this.
Best Wishes
Captain Haddock"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson - 6 October 2023 16:04382795Very very true Captain,The Tory party today could Not organise a ?.....In a brewery .Kent no longer the Garden of England .They should build more flats .France ,German. A way of life,We no longer have strong leadership .What they want to do with the education system horrendous.
Locally not much better .They don’t answer emails .Let alone trying to phone them . - Keith Sansum1
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7 October 2023 07:29382801Although Starmer is a joke
Some are still predicting Tories will win next GEALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 8 October 2023 07:23382805All the Tories have left are "elephant traps", which Labour will see from space. "What's the definition of a woman?" etc. They're not even trying to win on policy.
- Keith Sansum1
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8 October 2023 07:39382806Neil's back!!!!!!!!!!
Sadly if they do achieve it (still in doubt) it won't be becAuse Labour popular , it will b e because Tories regrouping .
It's about now will Labour supporters voteALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS