Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Keith, are you saying Vic is deceiving the electorate?
A politician decieving the public theres a novel idea , i thought most of them do to get power .
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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WOW;
Step back guys, that's a bit unfair, there are loads of politicians across the country from all parties at both local and national level working hard for there local areas and country, so i think the comments a littlre unfair to tar everyone with same brush.
on vic, hes a grand guy(even though he never buys the chips lol)
but clearly UKIP is not funding him, has made a decision NOT to stand any UKIP candidates, that is fact confirmed by vic himself.
Therefore there realy is no point putting manifesto;s for local government as there will be no candidates able to implement these policies
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I no not all politicians may be saying most is un fair , but from personal experience , i only see my MP where i live at election time , now we have a blue in that probably wont happen either , my local councilors i see every election time as well , a lot of people see politicians as in it for them selves with the expense scandal and such like , its up to politicians to show they care for our votes .
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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To be fair to gwyn and other mp's before him and since.
they have a dilema, if there not seen in the house they are wrong
gwyn like other mp's hold regular surgeries in the town, and every saturday had a streeet stall outside the town council offices plus many other ways of meeting him.
he wouldnt have time to knock on every door, and it would then still be chance if he did so thsat you were in so thats not realy fair.
gwyn, like other mp,s make themselves available it's realy up to to you and i to make use of these times, and wehether or not we agree weith the outcome we should make sutre they know we are out here.
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Fair enough , but can you see my point , if i only see my Mp at election time , its easy for people to be synical about politicians . Gwynne did many great things for Dover and i liked him when i had a chance to talk to him .
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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But like i pointed out above, you dont just see them at election time
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Iam still carrying on writing the manifesto out,so more later on,better then the TV .But as I said I am still chairman of UKIP in Dover and a paid up member of the party.By standing on my own, it has saved me alot of paper work,if I had been standing for UKIP or like I am now,it is still me Vic Matcham and I would still say what I am saying ,so does it matter ,it is a (NO) to that,if you support this manifesto or UKIP or just me then vote for Vic MATCHAM.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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keith is right here m.p's and councillors can never win on this issue.
you here people saying that they only knock on doors when they want a vote, if they did that all year round they would never get any work done.
contact details of all our representatives are freely available to all.
vic
i am even more confused after your last post.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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"Why" My thinking is the same,I am the same person so again why are you confused,only that when the public vote, next to my name will be nothing.I am standing to try and help the communities I am voted on for.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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RAY;
It is clear vic has NO BACKING from his locaL UKIP branch, he is standing with no financial backing and UKIP locally are clear they dont want to support any candidates in Dover in May.
so vic is an independent, standing alone,
there is no other way to explain it
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Keith, he might have no backing from UKIP locally but his first post on here says he has been to a UKIP meeting, seemingly at a higher
level than local branch, where he came back with copies of the UKIP local election agenda to distribute.
So it appears he has no local support but has support from a higher level who don't seem to realise he has no support at local level.
And he's soon to be my parish councillor - still confused!
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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RAY
Please don't be confused, meetings still go on, UKIP across the country are standing candidates in local govt elections, thus the need for a manifesto.
here in Dover, they decided to outvote vic and NOT back any UKIP candidate
so vic cannot speak on behalf of UKIP if they have withdrawn support, in the local elections.
hope that helps
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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It has taken me 1hour to get back on the forum.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Ok on with the next one.
Transport:Keeping our communities on the move.
To keep Britain moving ,We Will
(1)Let the people decide on local transport....infrastructure by calling binding referenda.
(2)Reopen local railway lines where needed.
(3)Preserve wayleaves of disused railway lines in case they are needed again.
(4)Halt widespread over-zealousness in parking ----enforcement.
(5)Remove all speed cameras,exept those--proven to reduce accidents or demended by --the community.
(6)Provide free parking at all hospitals.
(7)Protect free parking for Blue Badge holders.
(8)Protect rural bus services.
To pay for these commitments, We Will-
(1)Tax foreign lorries using British roads.
(2)Put all road maintenance out to compulsory---independently-assessed tender.
(3)Sell Network Rail to the private sector.
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Next one is the a real big one.
Health:Sorting out the National Health Service.
To keep the health service safe and protect our elderly and disabled people, WE Will---
(1)Let the people elect county health boards to --oversee vital services.
(2)Halt all cuts in front-line N.H.S.doctors,--surgeons, dentists and nurses.
(3)Axe failing, surplus NHS management.
(4)Reintroduce proper matrons to run clean --hospitals.
(5)Make specialist care available as needed,to save ---lives now lost through delay.
(6)Cut waiting list to European levels-Poland--treats cancer patients faster then we do.
To pay for these commitments, We Will
(1)End free access to health care for non-Britons.
(2)Require all visitors to exhibit adequate health--insurance at the port of entry.
(3)Introduce lifelong private insurance against --the costs of long-term care.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I am just amazingly confused at what Police, NHS, immigration, etc, etc, etc have to do with Local Governments - sure they can give a view about them but has no overall control over them ???
Surely you can just direct people to a link on the interenet for a manifesto rather than type it all up or are UKIP that far behind the times ??
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Immigration:Britain for the British First.
To cut immigration and the heavy cost of immigration, We Will
(1)End Labour,s immigration free-for-all,which let ....in 3million in 13 years.
(2)Withhold all State benefits from immigrants for five years.
(3)Introduce proper border controls.
(4)Increase UK Border Agency as needed.
(5)Freeze permanent immigration for five years--until we sort out the system.
(6)Deport all illegal immigrants.
(7)Target working visas only on those with the skills we need.
To pay for these commitments, We Will
(1)End benefits in cash or in kind for all---non-Britons.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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No you can do that if you wish,but this way more will read it,the other way alot would not do it. It is called thinking out of the box.