Keith Sansum1
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Where as the tories should romp home
This Dover change could well affect the overall result
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.the tories were set to win in Dover.
But some of Charlie's party wanted him out of the way
The wife factor wont help
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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The problem that the Tories have is that they don't seem to have anything to offer beyond "get Brexit done" and "20,000 new police officers". They can't last five weeks on that alone!
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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They have the Labour front bench on their side though, that could out last the next parliament if Corbyn has his way.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Problem is people have lost faith in both major parties
But 1 of the 2 will form a govt
Some of labour's front bench are OK
Don't think the everyday person is ready for a left wing govt
But we will see
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Looks like Labour will discuss some redress for WASPIs at today's manifesto meet. (For those with short memories see my post #995 regarding Farage's 'strategy'.) Having aired it, they'd be foolish to sneeze at it: over 3.5m votes (5-6000 per constituency), not all of which would go Corbyn, of course, but it may encourage enough to have that red rinse.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Woo Hoo! Labour offering loadsa free stuff! (Except speech obvs)
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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It is election time when ALL the parties make ridiculous promises trying to fool the people into voting for them. All I will add is that it is always us the public who pay in the end either through increased taxation in some way or from companies recuperating their costs in a way that affects our pockets.
My comment on the new political group on FB regarding spending plans..........."I always equate borrowing to having a large debt on a credit card, the more you borrow the more interest you have to pay. Unless you win the lottery or go without the luxuries like holidays etc you end up paying interest on the interest if you only make the basic payment at the end of the month."
(BTW the group is Dover & Deal Politics Forum it is very one sided but interesting to see how blinkered some followers seem to be.)
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Jan
iwill have a look at the f book dover and deal politics forum
Regarding paying of course you are correct, but within this should be
quite a number of things
1; Who isreally running the country ? its certainly not the politicians
2; On the BBC should presenters be paid over £229,000 a year, whilst also stating they have
no money to allow those over 75 to have a free license
3; local councils chief executives where Dovers paid nearly £200.000 is he really worth that?
4; Are the national media really unbiased?
5; Whats the real agenda's for the capitalists, or Socialists?
6; Pay of many chief executives are in the millions even though some of these companies are
failing, and with everyone else having to cutback is this right?
this is just a warm up to far bigger questions.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Frustrating reading yesterday about the NHS. It simply isn't true that the UK cannot charge EU Nationals to use the NHS - well, the only thing stopping it is it's own inability to administer it. It's certainly not the EU's fault (which, as ever, is the implication)!
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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mmm
Is it the role of government to run the country? Or is their role to set the framework(s), rules etc by which we operate? Or possibly a sensible middle ground between these two extremes? Pressure groups, those with vested interests etc. will always attempt to influence policy and rules so that they are favourable to them, that only means they are exercising their influence.
Perhaps decoupling the more obvious of these self interest groups from political parties by moving to state funding might change our perspective on who is actually doing what and who they are beholden to.
Talent costs what is costs, it is for the respective employers, remuneration committees, shareholders (where applicable) to assess whether they are getting value for money. This applies irrespective of whether it is local authorities, national government, state agencies, or the private or voluntary/charity sector.
None of the media are unbiased but the mainstream media has a statutory obligation to provide balance and equal access; failure to do so can result in censure and law suites. Social media on the other hand is almost entirely unregulated with all the horrors that that allows. Couple that with the gullibility of too many social media users...
As for each parties agenda, we should know that once they publish their manifestos. What we we will never truly know is the agenda of parties within parties; whether that is the ERG or Momentum or any of the other strange cabals that certain of our politicians seem to join from time to time.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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There have been so many falsehoods about the EU spread by whichever useless rabble has the ear of the press at the time - yes I mean you Mr Farage and you Messers Johnson, Gove, Cummings etc. amongst others.
We have always been able to do the following, but for various reasons chose not to
a) Refuse residency to EU citizens without a job or evidence of an independent income and a place to stay
b) Refuse benefits to EU citizens until they have 5 years residency within the UK
c) Charge EU residents for access to the NHS
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Great post Ross.
All I will add is election promises never come free, that is assuming those on the winning side even act on them.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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I thank Ross for his opinion
It's quite correct shareholder's decide how worthy its presenters are.
But as TV license payers I would prefer Not to pay presenters such large figures.
This is, as Ross says in all walks of life we have many overpaid people, in a climate that is asking for restraint on those earning next to nothing.
Of course this is only small to a far bigger agenda of making sure capitalists hold on to what they have.
There are big agendas being played out by the media, govt, and many more
Whoever is elected are they really running the country? Or is it one of the many unelected bodies,?
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Ross Miller wrote:None of the media are unbiased but the mainstream media has a statutory obligation to provide balance and equal access; failure to do so can result in censure and law suites. Social media on the other hand is almost entirely unregulated with all the horrors that that allows. Couple that with the gullibility of too many social media users...
I don’t even know what ‘balance’ and ‘equal access’ could mean in a print environment in which 3 companies, commanded by non-dom billionaires, control 83% of national titles. ‘Censure’? You’re having a laugh, surely? The law? See Murdochcorp and phone hacking. The mainsteams can say and not say what they like, true or false, and do. See, e.g. The Guardian’s increasingly baroque inventions around 'the Trump / Russia thing' (‘a big nothing burger’ according to an off-the-record CNN presenter, but a certain ratings bumper), which tells you lots about the paper's neocon, Clintonite bent and zero about anything else. Anyone relying on the mainstreams is simply not even close to what’s going on in this little isle, let alone elsewhere. Popular ‘gullibility’ is an educational-political goal, widespread and not restricted to ‘social media users’. Fortunately mainstream print circulation figures and clicks for their online versions are falling, younger people especially are going elsewhere, and new digital news and investigative journalism sites are doing what the mainstreams gave up on years ago.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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I was and wasnt "having a laugh" - the fact that both the PCC and the courts fail to take bias and other more nefarious behaviour by the press corps so lightly does not mean that there are not appropriate sanctions available.
Of course the domination of the traditional print media and their on-line offerings by less than a handful of exceedingly rich non-doms is a major cause for concern, but one that governments of all colours have been loath to address for fear of being pilloried by the very people they are trying to reform and by extension their readers.
We all tend towards some degree of confirmation bias in our choices of news media no matter whether it is mainstream or not; perhaps this makes us all gullible or perhaps it doesn't. I think your choice of language regarding how you classify the Guardian's position says as much about your own political leanings as it does about theirs.
All I know is that, ordinary people are being ill-served by the traditional organs of the state, the mainstream and alternative media etc. The ongoing cult of personality that surrounds many of our politicians and the sound-bite politics perfected by Campbell & Blair, as well as the rise of populism have combined to significantly diminish politics and politicians across much of the Western world and beyond. Perhaps they are now so ineffective because we hold all seem to hold them in such low esteem?
I believe that real change can only be built from the bottom up, by communities working to identify and solve the problems that the political classes in particular are not interested in.
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,056
I've received the first election communiqué, from the Conservative candidate - sadly with no sausage casserole. Reads better than the previous incumbent's (no new road to North Deal or wherever) though a couple of things made me smile, for example 'this election is about who will keep up the momentum... people are saying we should move forward with Natalie' - splitting the Labour vote surely?
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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Here are the current betting odds for the Dover constituency:
Sorry, Becky.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Pablo wrote:Here are the current betting odds for the Dover constituency
Funny, I thought ghosts were barred.
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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A tighter call in next door Canterbury in the view of Betfair:
2:5 Conservative
7:4 Labour
25:1 Liberal Democrat.
Can't find Dover on Skybet alas.
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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And the dreadful Damian Collins 200-1 on in Folkestone & Hythe.
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